Does anybody have a pet bear, that a non lethal, non harming, non shocking, tool could be used to see if, it would turn away an approaching bear? to use for those out in the woods, so they dont get eatin.
Does anybody have a pet bear
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So, ...Bears huh? I spent some time in Alaska and there was a pamphlet that used to circulate around up there to educate backpackers and hikers about bears. Particularly the difference between Brown bears and Grizzly Bears because their behavior and reactions differ quite a bit. I don’t have the pamphlet anymore but there was some good information in it so I’ll try to pass it on from memory.
The two most common bears you are liable to encounter is the Brown Bear and the Grizzly Bear. Neither bear likes to be surprised so it is recommended that you attach a small bell to your backpack so it will make noise as you hike and alert the bear to your approach.
It is also recommended that you carry an anti-bear pepper spray.
Another good thing to know is how to identify bear scat. This will let you know what bears are likely to be in your area. Brown bears are highly omnivorous so their droppings normally will contain small twigs, seeds and undigested fish bones. On the other hand, you can identify Grizzly bear scat because it will be full of little bells and smell like pepper.
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The two most common bears you are liable to encounter is the Brown Bear and the Grizzly Bear. Neither bear likes to be surprised so it is recommended that you attach a small bell to your backpack so it will make noise as you hike and alert the bear to your approach.
It is also recommended that you carry an anti-bear pepper spray.
Another good thing to know is how to identify bear scat. This will let you know what bears are likely to be in your area. Brown bears are highly omnivorous so their droppings normally will contain small twigs, seeds and undigested fish bones. On the other hand, you can identify Grizzly bear scat because it will be full of little bells and smell like pepper.
olutxoso:
I spend a fair amount of time in AK and the PNW mountains. The big difference in species and safety protocols are black bears vs brown bears. Black bears survived in parts of N. America by learning how to run and climb trees, and they are no where near as aggressive nor as big as brown bears.So, ...Bears huh? I spent some time in Alaska and there was a pamphlet that used to circulate around up there to educate backpackers and hikers about bears. Particularly the difference between Brown bears and Grizzly Bears because their behavior and reactions differ quite a bit. I don’t have the pamphlet anymore but there was some good information in it so I’ll try to pass it on from memory.
The two most common bears you are liable to encounter is the Brown Bear and the Grizzly Bear. Neither bear likes to be surprised so it is recommended that you attach a small bell to your backpack so it will make noise as you hike and alert the bear to your approach.
It is also recommended that you carry an anti-bear pepper spray.
Another good thing to know is how to identify bear scat. This will let you know what bears are likely to be in your area. Brown bears are highly omnivorous so their droppings normally will contain small twigs, seeds and undigested fish bones. On the other hand, you can identify Grizzly bear scat because it will be full of little bells and smell like pepper.
Black bears do not scare me whatsoever. I have had NUMEROUS close encounters with them and I have learned their behaviors. I have only had one face to face show down with one that actually showed some kind of interest in me. I had both bear spray and a 10MM at the ready, neither were needed. Talking to the bears in a normal, calm, but loud voice is ususally enough to scare them off. On this occasion, I had to also clap my hands loudly, the bear then turned away through the meadow and deviated around my path on the trail. I gave him time and space to distance himself from me before I proceeded further in my way.
They consider brown and griz's about different like Americans and Canadians. The safety protocol for encountering them is the same for both - knowing that they basically do whatever the hell they want, so you should not attempt to scare them off if you're hiking or camping as you would a black bear.
They aren't usually interested in people unless (1) there is a food source they smell or (2) they learned from their mothers that humans are a source for food. On very rare occasions, both brown and black bears will be predatory - these are bears that were hand fed, sick, or taught by their mothers that humans are food sources.
Any bear that has not encountered a human will be curious. These bears are sometimes dangerous from what I have been taught.
Either way - yes, you should always carry something like a bear bell, talk and make a lot of noise through the forest. The most dangerous bears are bears that are scared by your presence.
Never call a bear "bear" - if someone fed bears in the past, they may have said something like "here bear!", which they might identify as a cue for food.
The #1 rule for bear safety pertains to food.. keep your food sealed and in a bear safe container. NEVER store food in your tent, doing so in bear country is asking for BIG trouble. The worst case scenario is waking up to a bear in / trying to get into your tent! Also, never cook or eat at your campsite. It's a discipline, you should keep your camp site sterile from food.
Bears also aren't afraid of campfires FWIW. Never run from a bear, unless you are absolutely sure you can get to safety in a few feet or so. Running from them triggers predatory instincts (this is why trail runners get eaten all the time in brown bear country by brown bears and mountain lions).
The last thing to add in my rant is the debate over bullet calibers for bear defense - I am not a bear hunter and I would hate to have to kill one hiking or camping, but a .500 S&W is not a great option in the woods. You might get one or two shots off. The ideal round is a shotgun slug, but shotguns are heavy. We choose to bring a 10MM Glock with 200gr hard cast ammo, it provides a much better chance for squeezing off numerous penetrating rounds if shit hits the fan!
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With all that good advice, you guys need to get together an write like a 10 page manual to sell to all off roaders/hikers, trail bait runners, for ten bucks. its the details that keep people alive that most brush off. I keep hearing all these stories like on coast to coast bout all these people disappearin in the forests....i got to happen to think, most of its got to be bears/lions... an the dude that was researching it was saying it was mostly germans who were disappearing the woods? is ther something about germans dna an bears or lions.
heres a riddle - the sprays all good, but what does the spray allow the bear to still do? maybe another option, while your spraying, shooting, an trail running from it, trying to put down that last tuna melt.
an i got to think that when a bears dna sees a little ol campfire, it giggles, from all the forest fires that its dna has run from. I have never seen any pictures of cooked bears from wildfires? come to think of it. an the bears are probably, got the campfire, associated with cooked meat rather than, than normal nasty raw meat their consuming, an sees it as going out to outback restraurant for the evening...?
an if you write a manual, get with some victims of bear attacks or familys an put in some raw footage of wounds sustained, to really get the message driven home. put a note in the front of it - from god - You sit down, you zip it, an you read this, an you utilize the answers given in this manual to not get eaten
some may say theres manual out there for this? well theres still people getting eaten, so they aint got the message down right yet apparently. keep trying until you get the right manual for a 100 percent success rate of note getting eatin. a missing hand or foot...from a bear attack...well you still got life. start with the 100 percent non death from bear attacks, an move on to getting a 100 percent non life threatning injuries, taken care of
heres a riddle - the sprays all good, but what does the spray allow the bear to still do?
maybe another option, while your spraying, shooting, an trail running from it, trying to put down that last tuna melt.an i got to think that when a bears dna sees a little ol campfire, it giggles, from all the forest fires that its dna has run from. I have never seen any pictures of cooked bears from wildfires? come to think of it. an the bears are probably, got the campfire, associated with cooked meat rather than, than normal nasty raw meat their consuming, an sees it as going out to outback restraurant for the evening...?
an if you write a manual, get with some victims of bear attacks or familys an put in some raw footage of wounds sustained, to really get the message driven home. put a note in the front of it - from god - You sit down, you zip it, an you read this, an you utilize the answers given in this manual to not get eaten
some may say theres manual out there for this? well theres still people getting eaten, so they aint got the message down right yet apparently. keep trying until you get the right manual for a 100 percent success rate of note getting eatin. a missing hand or foot...from a bear attack...well you still got life. start with the 100 percent non death from bear attacks, an move on to getting a 100 percent non life threatning injuries, taken care of
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has there been any jeepers disappear out there, or that are currently missing? maybe chris can set up a special section for alerts about missing jeepers or others in the rough terrain, hopefully its never used.
It's not the critters that will get ya'. It's hypothermia, panic, bad judgement, inexperience and hubris. The critters just clean up the mess for the most part.
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I live in bear country .....
Was a guide for many years.
Have been charged and stalked.
Carry a rifle while in bear country. Personally, I never ever hike in any National/Provincial Parks with habituated bears of either species.
Bears are bears ..... act accordingly.
Was a guide for many years.
Have been charged and stalked.
Carry a rifle while in bear country. Personally, I never ever hike in any National/Provincial Parks with habituated bears of either species.
Bears are bears ..... act accordingly.
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dont you guys out there got some kind of bird or rabbit, poisioning battle thing going on? trying to keep the original species or something or do i got the wrong country? new zealand fish keeps showing up at the market over here, any good?
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Possums are the main issue we have followed by rabbits they breed like ummm rabbits
Poisoning sort of works but you have to be careful other animals too..they are looking into other ways...people go possum hunting and once or twice a year in the south island they have a big cull on rabbits.....its an ongoing battle haha
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Possums are the main issue we have followed by rabbits they breed like ummm rabbits
Poisoning sort of works but you have to be careful other animals too..they are looking into other ways...people go possum hunting and once or twice a year in the south island they have a big cull on rabbits.....its an ongoing battle haha
http://newzealandecology.org/system/files/articles/NZJEcol23_2_207.pdf ya i was reading about it an then see some show, how its dividing people, an the poisons going up the food change. watch what you eat. If anything, i would tell em to end the poisoning, catch em, an send them out as an export food for those who are starving out there. better than poisoning the people, water supply an land.
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ya that aint good
I have taken on some dogs but no bears as of yet. I was at the rest area in pa/jersy, an needed water, but no water ther, so i thought i would climb up that hill behind it, an surely ther had to be some stores or something. 20 minutes later got to the top of the mountain..seen nothing but miles an miles of woods, nothing else in site......time to turn around before i get eaten by a bear.....?
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i jammed a glock before while shooting it, at a target. they were tellin me it was jam proof..ya right. now if that happened with the bear, an a rifle, you could i guess, use the rifle as a weapon, swinging it, but doubt, trying to pistol whip a bear with glock..... is there a point with a bear that if you screamed loud enough, an charged at the bear that the bear would think, think this dudes crazy, an turn around.....an run?
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What about the air horn?, how does it work with bears....?
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