Ok, time for lets argue about your favorite shocks

Brian.souhan said:
Ok, so here are two more examples of springs impacting ride, one anyone can duplicate (unlike removing my springs and driving). First we all know that we air down for grip, but there is also the mantra ‘air down for comfort,’ so lower and raid your tire pressure and tell me that does not impact ride quality…tires act as air springs.

Second example, my daily is a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, and I like to take it to Assateague beach here. I can raise and lower its ride because it uses air springs. The first time out I decided to take it all the way up (even though didn’t need it), and it bashed and battered me around as the springs were so tight, there was little give.

In both examples the springs are changing and not the shocks.

I’m not sure what else I can say, those are real world examples of springs impacting ride.
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Brian.souhan said:
Ok, so here are two more examples of springs impacting ride, one anyone can duplicate (unlike removing my springs and driving). First we all know that we air down for grip, but there is also the mantra ‘air down for comfort,’ so lower and raid your tire pressure and tell me that does not impact ride quality…tires act as air springs.

Second example, my daily is a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, and I like to take it to Assateague beach here. I can raise and lower its ride because it uses air springs. The first time out I decided to take it all the way up (even though didn’t need it), and it bashed and battered me around as the springs were so tight, there was little give.

In both examples the springs are changing and not the shocks.

I’m not sure what else I can say, those are real world examples of springs impacting ride.
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Here is one to try. Remove your shocks and go for a ride. Hell remove your shocks and put 40 psi In Your tires and go for a ride.
 
Brian.souhan said:
Ok, so here are two more examples of springs impacting ride, one anyone can duplicate (unlike removing my springs and driving). First we all know that we air down for grip, but there is also the mantra ‘air down for comfort,’ so lower and raid your tire pressure and tell me that does not impact ride quality…tires act as air springs.

Second example, my daily is a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, and I like to take it to Assateague beach here. I can raise and lower its ride because it uses air springs. The first time out I decided to take it all the way up (even though didn’t need it), and it bashed and battered me around as the springs were so tight, there was little give.

In both examples the springs are changing and not the shocks.

I’m not sure what else I can say, those are real world examples of springs impacting ride.
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Gollywomper said:
Here is one to try. Remove your shocks and go for a ride. Hell remove your shocks and put 40 psi In Your tires and go for a ride.
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I have, as I said in 2016 when I removed my shocks, none had any dampening left in them at all, I had very stiff springs, and not the best ride, but it worked. I’ve also had one break off and with the current softer springs I have, I could feel the bounce that wasn’t in the harder springs.
 
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Brian, I have $5, maybe more will contribute to the pot. What I need to see is a video of your Jeep with no shocks, driving. After driving please tell in the video how rough the ride was because of stiff springs.
 
Brian.souhan said:
Ok, so here are two more examples of springs impacting ride, one anyone can duplicate (unlike removing my springs and driving). First we all know that we air down for grip, but there is also the mantra ‘air down for comfort,’ so lower and raid your tire pressure and tell me that does not impact ride quality…tires act as air springs.

Second example, my daily is a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, and I like to take it to Assateague beach here. I can raise and lower its ride because it uses air springs. The first time out I decided to take it all the way up (even though didn’t need it), and it bashed and battered me around as the springs were so tight, there was little give.

In both examples the springs are changing and not the shocks.

I’m not sure what else I can say, those are real world examples of springs impacting ride.
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First example is about tires, not springs.

No one ever suggested removing springs and driving.

Second example changes the shock travel bias, which can have a significant affect on how the shocks perform.
 
jjvw said:
First example is about tires, not springs.

No one ever suggested removing springs and driving.

Second example changes the shock travel bias, which can have a significant affect on how the shocks perform.
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Perfect, thank you, so I’ve been beginning to think we were talking past each other…in an ideal dampener (none exist), bias does not impact dampening, even in older shocks, I think over a certain range , the bias had little impact. In newer, more advanced designs, the shocks are designed to respond differently at different biases along with several other parameters and can be tuned extensively.

I’ve only ever bought cheap basic shocks with no tuning or even advanced features, and currently am not looking for anything too fancy, just what will give me the best ride given my current 3in dual rate jks springs.

Also misread your statement, I often confuse my words…so I read springs when you said shocks…my apologies.

I do still suspect that if you did a drastic change to your springs without changing shocks that it would have impact on ride quality, but I am enquiring on that with others.

Also, tires as a first order approximation can be modeled as springs, though there are a lot of non-linearities.

Edited to add in shocks after changing in 3rd para.
 
ah, I love these threads. Every time I think I might chime in to contribute something about shocks tuning or personal experience... it turns into an absolute shit show, complete with name calling. JJVW mentions he has custom tuned shocks 7 or 8 times, Blaine swears he will never get involved in these conversations again, but always does, because... its his Jerry Springer.
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Good times.

So, same time next week?
 
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