High Praise For MetalCloak's Duroflex Double Adjustable Control Arms

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Lou said:
How did the stock bushings look?
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jjvw said:
You changed shocks and made several adjustments to the axle positioning and who knows what else. And you are attributing any perceived improvements solely to the control arms. Correct?

Whether you know it or not on any level, you are diving head first into almost every misconception surrounding suspension and ride quality.
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I really thought I can read between the lines. Where did I go wrong so much? ☹️
 
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I don't really know what you lot are going on about. The fact is, I swapped these arms out for the stock arms. I set them to the same length as the stock to test them on the road in comparison. The only variable that has changed recently are the arms themselves. The jeep rides and handles superb in comparison. What is there to understand?
 
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Sensei said:
I don't really know what you lot are going on about. The fact is, I swapped these arms out for the stock arms. I set them to the same length as the stock to test them on the road in comparison. The only variable that has changed recently are the arms themselves. The jeep rides and handles superb in comparison. What is there to understand?
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New parts work better than worn out parts.
 
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Sensei said:
My factory control arm bushings have less than 15k miles on them.
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Ok. Those must have been a rough 15k miles. Regardless, despite everything else you did, it was the new control arms and nothing else.
 
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You won’t find much praise for metalcloak on here.
tworley said:
Metalcloak!

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This picture is one reason.
If you would have bought brand new stock control arms you will get the same ride as metalcloaks control arms.
If you would have went with control arms from Currie , savvy or core 4x4 with Jhonny joints you will get the same ride but with more superior joints.
 
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jjvw said:
Ok. Those most have been a rough 15k miles. Regardless, despite everything else you did, it was the new control arms and nothing else.
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I've had time to test the other upgrades. The control arms are my most recent. And above all else, they have given me the most improvement to my ride quality. Ironically I didn't even purchase them for that purpose. Even still, explain to me how it's possible for me to experience such an improvement in ride performance, if the only independent variable isn't a factor?

Anyways, it seems the main gripe people have is the durability of these joints over a longer period of time, which I haven't had a chance to test yet. Hopefully the results that I praise today, hold up over the long term. I guess we will see.
 
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Sensei said:
I don't really know what you lot are going on about. The fact is, I swapped these arms out for the stock arms. I set them to the same length as the stock to test them on the road in comparison. The only variable that has changed recently are the arms themselves. The jeep rides and handles superb in comparison. What is there to understand?
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You can get a lot of good information from this forum but suspension advise is questionable. Most posters are looking for bias conformation i.e. they paid a lot for their suspension because they believed they were buying the best, so anyone that comes along and challenges their beliefs will classified a troll, just human nature.

Ride is a subjective thing, everybody's seismograph is different, if like the new Metal Cloak ride then you have made a good purchase, enjoy.
 
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Most posters are looking for bias conformation i.e. they paid a lot for their suspension because they believed they were buying the best, so anyone that comes along and challenges their beliefs will classified a troll, just human nature.
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So, what are you saying about the OP?
 
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Sensei said:
Anyways, it seems the main gripe people have is the durability of these joints over a longer period of time, which I haven't had a chance to test yet. Hopefully the results that I praise today, hold up over the long term. I guess we will see.
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We do love joints that can last here and that joint is a Jhonny joint.
Metcalcloak is not liked because they make certain claims about their products leading the customer to believe they have a product that is better.
From their page.
“The MetalCloak's Game-Changing Duroflex™ Jointsprovide the industry's best ride quality. Period.”

Uhhh yea no. It’s not game changing. It’s not the best ride quality. Period.

We don’t like companies that spew out bullshit to their customers.
 
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rasband said:
So, what are you saying about the OP?
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My jeep can actually stay on its side of the road when hauling through rough backroads now. Not sure how much more confirmation I need than that. But it's definitely not a placebo effect if that's what you're suggesting.
 
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My jeep can actually stay on its side of the road when hauling through rough backroads now. Not sure how much more confirmation I need than that. But it's definitely not a placebo effect if that's what you're suggesting.
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Sure sounds a lot like new parts work better than worn out parts.
 
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IJK said:
You can get a lot of good information from this forum but suspension advise is questionable. Most posters are looking for bias conformation i.e. they paid a lot for their suspension because they believed they were buying the best, so anyone that comes along and challenges their beliefs will classified a troll, just human nature.

Ride is a subjective thing, everybody's seismograph is different, if like the new Metal Cloak ride then you have made a good purchase, enjoy.
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The other possibility is that several of us here have spent a lot of time and effort into research and hands on comparisons of many different components and setups. This includes going far deeper into defining the handling and ride quality than anything the control arms and joints could ever do to impact such things.

But since that doesn't work for you, answer this question. If Metalcloak bushings are so uniquely amazing at reducing NVH through the control arms, why did they put rod ends on their track bars?
 
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jjvw said:
The other possibility is that several of us here have spent a lot of time and effort into research and hands on comparisons of many different components and setups. This includes going far deeper into defining the handling and ride quality than anything the control arms and joints could ever do to impact such things.

But since that doesn't work for you, answer this question. If Metalcloak bushings are so uniquely amazing at reducing NVH through the control arms, why did they put rod ends on their track bars?
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Instead of regurgitating everything you've consumed in your "research", perhaps you go to their website and take a look at their trackbars? Looks like they use an incredibly similar bushing as their control arms. Atleast in one end.. So i'm not really sure what you're trying to say,
 
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