High Praise For MetalCloak's Duroflex Double Adjustable Control Arms

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He seems like a honest guy, excited about his new suspension and wants to share his experience with the like minded Jeep guys. The question to you is what are you saying about the OP?

You're deflecting.

Most posters are looking for bias conformation

I've sunk enough money into my Jeep to not need that anymore.
 
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You can get a lot of good information from this forum but suspension advise is questionable. Most posters are looking for bias conformation i.e. they paid a lot for their suspension because they believed they were buying the best, so anyone that comes along and challenges their beliefs will classified a troll, just human nature.

Ride is a subjective thing, everybody's seismograph is different, if like the new Metal Cloak ride then you have made a good purchase, enjoy.

And to think you and I were so close to being friends.
 
We do love joints that can last here and that joint is a Jhonny joint.
Metcalcloak is not liked because they make certain claims about their products leading the customer to believe they have a product that is better.
From their page.
“The MetalCloak's Game-Changing Duroflex™ Jointsprovide the industry's best ride quality. Period.”

Uhhh yea no. It’s not game changing. It’s not the best ride quality. Period.

We don’t like companies that spew out bullshit to their customers.

I promise you and anyone else that cares to go for a ride that the next time I have a particular MC full build in for brakes, I'll let ya'll come and drive it. If that is what anyone calls "game changing" then I want nothing to do with that game.
 
I will say this…trolling or not, if you’re enjoying your new control arms, that’s all that really matters. I have no personal experience with Metalcloak other than what I’ve heard.

I think most of us agree - but we also like for people to understand what actually fixed which problems.
 
I think most of us agree - but we also like for people to understand what actually fixed which problems.

I agree

And I think most of us will agree that control arms don’t affect ride quality anymore than spring rates. At least as far as TJ springs and short arms go.

My initial response was just that until @psrivats convinced me this was a troll, and admittedly it looked like maybe it was.
 
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Instead of regurgitating everything you've consumed in your "research", perhaps you go to their website and take a look at their trackbars? Looks like they use an incredibly similar bushing as their control arms. Atleast in one end.. So i'm not really sure what you're trying to say,

Track bars are control arms. Between MCs two track bars, there are three heim joints. Heim joints don't reduce NVH. NVH means noise vibrations and harshness. That means the rear MC track bar does nothing to reduce NVH. And the front is relying on it's one proprietary little rubber bushing.

Why does this matter? Either the Metalcloak bushings are somehow uniquely capable of reducing NVH in ways other joints and bushings cannot. Or it doesn't matter one bit and Metalcloak is making things up to sell products. They make shit up for other things they sell. Why not control arms, too? Because what they claim doesn't make sense given their own inconsistency within the product line.

And never mind that the entire reason to move away from the bonded rubber bushing is to increase the amount of usable misalignment without relying on an elastic connection. Currie figured this out a very long time ago with the Johnny Joint rod end and became the industry standard. But then Metalcloak wanders in about ten years ago with a claim that their bonded rubber hybrid bushing can stretch and support similar misalignment as the Johnny Joint. And yet here we are with ten years of torn and failing Metalcloak bushings coming from those with long travel shocks who actually use them on a regular basis.

Add to that, I have personally seen Metalcloak bushings squish and deflect to the point of creating axle wrap and drive line vibrations that didn't need to exist.

So, in my personal observations and experience with MC bushings, they are not a good product. And they do not somehow improve the ride and handling in any way that isn't immediately overshadowed and forgotten about by happens with shocks, tires, steering, sway bars and suspension geometry.

Those of us who have dug that deep are not interested in ridiculous claims about control arm joints or bushings having amazing effects on ride quality because it simply isn't there.

And we can get really annoyed by those who do not have similar backgrounds in experience and understanding trying to insist otherwise. So, do us a favor and tell @ljk to sit down and be quiet.
 
..." secret recipe is renowned for being the best on-road ride and the most off-road flex, all in one spring!"

Should the person claiming "being the best on-road ride" be shamed for making false claims? Or give him a pass?
 
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..." secret recipe is renowned for being the best on-road ride and the most off-road flex, all in one spring!"

Should the person claiming "being the best on-road ride" be shamed for making false claims? Or give him a pass?

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Easy..easy… the OP has less than 100 posts, he may not have read all the previous threads on concerns around metalcloak.

OP don’t let that scare you away from the forum, lots of good info here

On the arms….

Pros:
aluminum double adjustable arm (could be improvements in design / material),
decent in Midwest mud (where JJs tend to need rebuilding more often based on severals exp.) ,
plug/play replaceable joint (you’ll eventually need to do this based on many’s experience)

Cons compared to JJs:
Most of MCs claims don’t hold up on NVH (shocks determine most of this)
joints wear with off-road use,
provide less misalignment then JJs

Glad your jeep is driving straight and tight!
 
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