Moto's box is a huge empty vessel, no baffles, no slosh control.
but so are many others.
Wildman's TJ is getting a face lift
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but so are many others.
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Correct. To get the amount of stretch to my WB the only way to do so is to lose the tank behind the axle.
I'm looking at the GenRiight tanks and still may go that route
Not a Tuffy storage box. It's a old Con-Ferr box that was made for the YJ and when they went out of business All JProducts was bought them and modified them to fit in the TJ's. I really like the box and don't want to have to lose it.
Last time I looked at their website they only had the one for a YJ that fit behind the rear seat. Will have to go look again.
Not trying to argue with anyone just offering my point of view. While I know some feel it isn't WORTH it to only stretch the WB a few inches in my experiance here in the PNW that little bit of length can help.
So right now my plan is to only move the rear axle back approx. 4-5" and then push the front forward about 2" which will put me at about 100"WB. My current WB is 96" with the Jeep on the bump stops.
I got a nice break on the last tank I bought from them since it came out of Tony's Jeep and was used. But yes they are expensive.
I'm looking at the GenRiight tanks and still may go that route
Not a Tuffy storage box. It's a old Con-Ferr box that was made for the YJ and when they went out of business All JProducts was bought them and modified them to fit in the TJ's. I really like the box and don't want to have to lose it.
Last time I looked at their website they only had the one for a YJ that fit behind the rear seat. Will have to go look again.
Not trying to argue with anyone just offering my point of view. While I know some feel it isn't WORTH it to only stretch the WB a few inches in my experiance here in the PNW that little bit of length can help.
So right now my plan is to only move the rear axle back approx. 4-5" and then push the front forward about 2" which will put me at about 100"WB. My current WB is 96" with the Jeep on the bump stops.
I got a nice break on the last tank I bought from them since it came out of Tony's Jeep and was used. But yes they are expensive.
nothing specific is popping up in search. can you elaborate plz. Wayne's a brand or a person with a solution?
ha , just my luck........down for maintenance.
i tried to look at just about every cell or slosh sys i could find. from foam to baffle balls to baffle walls and trap boxes.
i'da maybe went for that small GR tank they say will get you 9" with a Dana 44, but you said you had doubts about that being accurate.
the attempt to keep the TJ pump w/sending unit is what limiting me the most actually.
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How much are you trying to stretch the rear? And has been pointed out many times part of the problem is what WB you are measuring from when you start the stretch. As again has been said before you lose WB as you go up in lift height unless you have lengthen the control arms. If I was to get the GR tank this is the one I have been looking at. I have their 25 gallon tank right now.
https://genright.com/products/tj-lj-crawler-comp20-gas-tank-skid-plate-20-gal.html
Next on my shopping list is a Winter shifter that I was going to get thru Wide Open Design unless someone knows of a better price.
https://www.wideopendesign.com/winters-shifter
And a shifter kit from Northwest Fabworks for my STaK's t-case.
http://www.northwestfab.com/Stak-3-Speed-Monster-Box-Standard-Cable-Shifter-Kit_p_193.html
And then decide if I feel confident enough to try and build my own center console or just spring for the one from GenRight?
https://genright.com/products/aluminum-center-console-for-jeep-tj-or-lj.html
The 9" is accurate. What isn't is the expectation. You get 9 over what you have now. It would be rare to wind up with stock wheelbase after lifting so if you are at 92 you get 101 and not the 103 you were hoping for.
Thinking about it further, I believe you would have to run either the typical in tank pump or an external with Wayne's baffle system or the same as you would with foam. Wayne's baffles are fuel resistant plastic cylinders you dump into the tank that stops all slosh with very little volume taken up. That would interfere with the float on the TJ pump as does all common baffling.
103ish. from the front axle once it's installed.
yes i've seen this type as well. similar function as the balls just different shape.the 103 you were hoping for.
Wayne's baffles are fuel resistant plastic cylinders you dump into the tank that stops all slosh with very little volume taken up. That would interfere with the float on the TJ pump as does all common baffling.
i sectioned off my 29Lx9Wx12H cell. split into 3 sections for slosh control, w/1 way trap doors, to keep fuel in the center with the pump should it go below 1/2 tank. i could pack both ends with additional fluid diversion if it'seems warranted.
low tank levels and free slosh resulting in pump starvation if 1 should be held up in a odd chassis position, was a concern as well.
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Okay after spending half the day trying to find prices on the Art Carr/Winter shifter I would like the best I can come up with is Poly Performance at $223.24 with the veteran discount or Wide Open Design for $234. Free shipping from either of them. Any one else have a better place to shop? Help me spend some of this money...… 
this is what i'd expect to see in more cells.......walls keep slosh to a minimum and a trap box to keep fuel at the pump.
thats similar to mine, but my trap pan is the whole center section.
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Yep walls and a trap for the pump. I was surprised to see it in there. The GenRight website makes little mention of the walls and pan in their cells. But low and behold, my GenRight is built to the bream with them welded in place.
IMO call either place via telephone. Give your money to whichever one seems to have the better customer service.Okay after spending half the day trying to find prices on the Art Carr/Winter shifter I would like the best I can come up with is Poly Performance at $223.24 with the veteran discount or Wide Open Design for $234. Free shipping from either of them. Any one else have a better place to shop? Help me spend some of this money...…
Between the two, I know for a fact WOD has an extensive history of experience installing Winter shifters in Jeeps and rockbouncers. So that would cause me to lean more in their favor. If you have any installation issues after purchase, calling them and explaining it may lead to having your problem resolved by telephone.
Also, WOD has a cool shifter knob that they build for the Winter shifters. They also sell an identical set of knobs for popular transfer cases. Silly, but after install, all your knobs will be uniform and match. A tiny detail that will matter to very few.
Does PolyPerformance have a shop that they use to build stuff? They may, so they may have the same, if not more experience with Winter shifters.
i called them and asked directly, while they were very hesitant to divulge how it was done they say all the tanks that run the TJ pumps have provisions for the task.
Right, I would recommend the GenRight stretch tanks with full confidence. Plus, they are under the tub which is my prefrence. I hate having a cell inside the tub, mainly the thought of having kids in there one day is my main concern.
GenRight has a tiny tank that lives under the tub and allows maximum stretch; their Alien tank. Although it only holds 11 gallons.
https://genright.com/products/jeep-tj-lj-crawler-alien-gas-tank-skid-plate-11-gal.html
tig is something i've not yet attempted, but need to learn, then the possibility's become endless, and you can get all kinds of crazy with a cell or belly tank.
yep thats the 1 i was lookin at, and it's at the low end of the $ for the GR tanks.
nothings changed yet and i can weight options when i see how things actually come together.
yep thats the 1 i was lookin at, and it's at the low end of the $ for the GR tanks.
nothings changed yet and i can weight options when i see how things actually come together.
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Been watching WOD stuff for a long time and have watched some of their video's on installing the Winters shifter.
And their shift knob is a great lookin design but with my STaK's t-case I am getting a NWF cable shifter with their knobs.
Poly is out in the SW and is more suited to that type of rigs. I don't know how much experiance with the Winters shifter they have. But I have dealt with them before and always had good service.
I have their 25 gal tank that was actually in Tony's Jeep 14 years ago. It's going to be going into my daughters TJ when I swap out to something different.
I'm not ruling out a fuel cell but if I can get by without running one then I'd rather not. The 11 gal tank isn't large enough for the trails I run. And with my V-8 I really don't like the idea of that small of a tank. Takes me back to my early CJ days..... And why we were slappin a 15 gal tank in the rear.
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More good news today: Called the machine shop and they are open and doing work some I will be taking my engine over to the this week. They are going to check the block, verify the balance of my crankshaft & machine the heads for a higher lift cam. The fun starts....
There are tank builders who will build to your spec. Not sure on cost, but I am sure it is high for something one off.