Need Help Finding Door Lock Cylinders

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Hey guys. I need to find a set of new door lock cylinders with keys to fit my new-to-me 1/2 doors.

I don't know what year the door are from originally but the lock cylinders are smaller than what came with my '05 full doors. I bought a set that turned out to be too big, assuming they were all the same and forgetting that the doors might not be off an '05. My bad on that lazy assumption. They did look pretty much identical except for being about 1.6 mm too large.

So the lock cylinders I need should measure about 21.4 mm on the portion that fits into the hole on the door.

Does anyone know how many different lock cylinder variations there were across the various years? And are the half door lock cylinders the same as for full doors?

I tried plugging in different years on Rock Auto and got no consistent results, almost implying that there were 3 or more different configurations. And those were full doors. Of course, there's no option for half doors. And, at this point, I don't want to assume the lock cylinders were the same between half doors and full doors, for a given year anyway.

Any lock cylinder experts in the house? It would be super awesome if somebody knows the part number I need.

TIA
 
For those of you searching for lock cylinder hardware, here's what I've gathered so far.

What each door type uses:
  • 1997-2002 full doors: older lock cylinder, small cap/bezel (5257148), Z-shaped lever (55076307), long retaining clip (55176401AB)
  • 1997-2001 half doors: older lock cylinder, small cap/bezel (5257148), flat lever (part number unknown), short retaining clip (2583377)
  • 2002 half doors: newer lock cylinder, large cap/bezel (5016731AA), flat lever (part number unknown), short retaining clip (2583377)
  • 2003-2006 full doors: newer lock cylinder, large cap/bezel (5016731AA), Z-shaped lever (55076307), long retaining clip (55176401AB)
  • 2003-2006 half doors: newer lock cylinder, large cap/bezel (5016731AA), Z-shaped lever (55076307), short retaining clip (2583377)

The exact years I am not sure of, but it is something like the above. I recommend pulling the panel off your door to confirm exactly what you need. Use the following info to decide what you need:
  • The older lock cylinders have a smaller diameter than the newer ones; by measuring the hole in your door, you can confirm which one you need.
  • The choice of Z or flat lever depends on your door lock linkage, which is different by year and between full and half doors.
  • The retaining clip is longer in full doors so that it can reach around the window glass channel and still be accessed for removal. You could use the longer retaining clips in a half door, but if you put a short retaining clip from a half door into a full door, it will be very hard to reach.
  • If you want to rekey the lock cylinders, you must destroy and replace the bezel/cap in the process. Check out MountaineerTom's guide on rekeying lock cylinders: https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/how-to-re-key-half-door-lock-cylinders.26338/
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baseline4x4 on eBay sells complete lock cylinder assemblies, keyed alike and including keys, levers, and lock rod clips. The pros: everything you need in one purchase; plug and play. Cons: If you want to rekey the cylinders, the bezel must be destroyed and only the small bezels (5257148) are readily available for purchase.

wolf security hardware on eBay sells Chrysler 8 cut wafers that you can use to rekey your lock cylinders. You can try to use the old wafers you already have, but you will probably not have all the correct numbered wafers to fully rekey the cylinder. To avoid buying more, you can leave out the wafers you don't have or grind them down until they work.

Crown Automotive kit: no wafers, lever, gasket, or return spring included. Comes with bezels and E-clip.

Omix 11813.13: smaller diameter for 97-01. No wafers, lever, E-clip, or gasket included. Comes with return spring, bezels, and keys.

The smaller diameter bezels (Crown 5257148) can be found easily. The larger diameter bezels (mopar 5016731AA) I have only found on rockauto and mopar parts websites for ~$20 each. Rockauto, sells them in packs of 10, so $200 dollars minimum :eek:🤬.

There are two types of levers that actuate the lock rod: the Z-shaped (Crown 55076307) and the flat one. The Z-shaped are easily found for $10 each. No luck finding the flat ones for individual sale.

The short retaining clips (2583377) are readily available for ~$7. The long retaining clips (55176401AB) are not readily available in aftermarket. Your best bet is eBay or salvage.

*if you find the missing part numbers or better prices or other sources for these parts, please post so I can add them*

(edited to bring relevant info to the top)
 
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Tob said:
Do you remember what set this was?
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I'll look for something specific but I'm pretty sure the set I bought was for a 2005 because that's what I have. But the half doors I have take a smaller diameter lockset. I assume the half doors are from an earlier year but that's just a guess.
 
g.hayduke said:
I believe that item is the same as what I bought that did not fit the half doors I have. They will fit some but not all TJ doors.

When I discovered that there are at least 2 different lock cylinders for TJ doors, I posted a question about what years had what lock cylinders but got no response.
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These will fit half doors. I had them and was going to use them but decided to rekey my current lock cylinders to match my full door and ignition keys.
It’s the bezel that come in different sizes. So if you rekey, you have to destroy the bezel. The full doors and half doors have different size bezels.

Edit: in my experience at least
 
jazngab said:
These will fit half doors. I had them and was going to use them but decided to rekey my current lock cylinders to match my full door and ignition keys.
It’s the bezel that come in different sizes. So if you rekey, you have to destroy the bezel. The full doors and half doors have different size bezels.
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Your experience is incomplete. There are at least 2 different lock cylinder sizes for TJ doors and it's not just the bezel.
I guess you think I'm making shit up?

I'm telling you and the rest of those who care that I bought a set of lock cylinders that would fit my 2005 full doors perfectly (just like those you linked) but are TOO LARGE for the specific set of half doors I have.

I do not know the TJ year that my half doors were made for but the lock cylinders ARE SMALLER than those that fit my 2005 full doors. I still don't have a set to fit my half doors.
 
jazngab said:
These will fit half doors. I had them and was going to use them but decided to rekey my current lock cylinders to match my full door and ignition keys.
It’s the bezel that come in different sizes. So if you rekey, you have to destroy the bezel. The full doors and half doors have different size bezels.

Edit: in my experience at least
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When I clicked on your link there was a disclaimer that said it would not fit my 97 TJ. I was looking as I’m about to swap out the ignition switch and actuator and was sort of planning ahead in case there was an issue with the lock cylinder.
 
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g.hayduke said:
Your experience is incomplete. There are at least 2 different lock cylinder sizes for TJ doors and it's not just the bezel.
I guess you think I'm making shit up?

I'm telling you and the rest of those who care that I bought a set of lock cylinders that would fit my 2005 full doors perfectly (just like those you linked) but are TOO LARGE for the specific set of half doors I have.

I do not know the TJ year that my half doors were made for but the lock cylinders ARE SMALLER than those that fit my 2005 full doors. I still don't have a set to fit my half doors.
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Whoa take it easy there cowboy. That’s why I edited it to say “at least in my experience”. It worked for my half doors. That’s all I’m saying.
 
Well fellas, let's try to figure this out with our combined knowledge. I have a salvage 2002 half door, a pair of 2003 half doors, and 2004 full doors (which I have not examined the innards of yet). The lock cylinder from the '02 half door fits into the '03 half doors, but the '03 needs the Z-shaped levers, while the '02 uses the flat lever. The inner workings of the '02 and '03 half doors are different. See pictures - top is '02 and bottom is '03. I am inclined to assume that this difference is a 97-02 to 03-06 thing, but these are the only samples I have to base that assumption on - take it with a grain of salt.

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So with that assumption, half door lock cylinders are interchangeable among half doors of different years provided it has the correct lever shape for the year.

@g.hayduke correct me if I am wrong. You bought lock cylinders that did fit full doors, but did not fit half doors. Conclusion - full door and half door lock cylinders are not interchangeable; full door lock cylinders have a larger diameter.

@jazngab says the SMP DL-127 did fit his half doors. According to my above assumption, all half door cylinders should be the same diameter, which leads me to believe the DL-127 is not the exact same cylinders g.hayduke tried.

I agree with jazngab that the bezels are different sizes between half doors to full doors. Bezel size should not matter for compatibility though.

As a sample point, my '02 half door lock cylinder measures at 15/16" (23.8 mm) diameter on the barrel (in blue) and 1 1/32" (26.2 mm) on the bulges (in red). @g.hayduke the ones you bought and fit into a full door measured 23 mm (21.4+1.6) in diameter, correct? And is that measurement on the barrel of the cylinder or across the bulges?

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Tob said:
Did the set come with the retainer clip, bezel, gasket, return spring, lever, and E-clip? Or did you have to source some of those elsewhere?
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I already had locks...it was a cylinder...had a bezel and they were available in chrome or black...came with e-clips but stated on the website it didn't come with anything. Nothing else included...Wolf Security might have suggestions as to where to find stuff.

-Mac
 
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I've got an interesting update to add. I had one of my 2004 full doors apart yesterday to adjust the latch, and I pulled the cylinder to compare it to my 2002 half door lock cylinder. They are identical, even in diameter - the 02 cylinder fit into the full door perfectly. Though I'll note that this 2004 full door cylinder uses the Z-shaped lever, no return spring, and a longer retaining clip (since it needs to reach under the window track). The cylinders have the exact same markings - "311868 S 2". Somehow, a search for "mopar 311868" pulls up Quadratec's lock cylinder offerings, but I can't find that part number anywhere on their website.

The problem is, this new info throws all the assumptions I made above out the window. I'm not sure how to make sense of it all without many more data points. Looking back, many of the part listings I have seen have listed the model year fitment as to imply that the split is 2001-2002 instead of 2002-2003. Getting to the bottom of this is not super important in the grand scheme, but it sure bugs me that it's not as straightforward as I expected.

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