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Dam that looks good. Are you going to slip an aluminum bumper over top that?
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The "whys" have evolved a lot over the years. But I think the desire to not build an explicitly "bad ass" Jeep has been consistent from day one.
The last few days of discussing the rear torque box fits onto that. This is a very substantial set of improvements that very few will ever notice. And even fewer will understand the why.
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That would be retarded and not your normal retarded, but all the way retarded.
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I actually was just wondering if it was finished enough looking for you. Obviously the square tube would meet my rigorous aesthetic requirements but I thought it might be a bit industrial for you.
I almost think that an evolution of why is necessary. Sometimes, in order to appreciate why something is right, you have to understand why another (or any other) way is wrong. If you don't go through that process....then its no different that blindly bolting on a rough country lift cuz your buddy says its great. "Buy the entire catalog of Savvy parts because the forum says they are the best."
You can do that, and still have a rig that handles like crap. But, if you start to understand why Savvy parts are better, you start to build the path to engineering a build. With that, real improvements can be made.
Once you are able to grasp and understand the why of things, the path to a meaningful resolution will often be varied and vastly different for each person's needs, but they will all reach the same goal if how to get there is understood. No one needs to rebuild and make a new rear torque box to solve that problem. But if you want to know why it is done, a good discussion never hurts anything.
Why would I weld recovery points to the ends of the crossmember then? And no you trash panda hat wearing goober wanna be engineer, that is not square tube. It is fully rectangular.
Did you miss this picture somehow of one I already did?
Dammit - I wish I had seen this 20 minutes ago. I just cut off my rear torque boxes…
Thanks for taking the time to explain this, Blaine. I’ve never given that much thought.
I stuffed the Dana 60 and then took a few rough measurements. There is approximately 8000 cubic inches available to put a tank in over the top of the axle tubes and hanging down 14" from the bottom of the tub. Or, roughly 36" wide x 14" tall x 16" front to back.
More than enough to work in a cut out around the diff. That is 35 gallons of space.
I wish I could give a gold star to this comment. What you said here Mike applies for more than just jeeps.
That understanding of the "why" is extremely valuable toward being to appreciate the good and the best amidst the vastly bad and average that surrounds us in this world. And once your eyes get opened once, it spills over to other aspects of life and you start seeing things in a new light altogether.
I always tell my people at work who are in positions of improvement or supervision to channel their inner two year old, and continuously ask why. I'm actually surprised how many people I offend with such a simple question. I ask why. I always have. Most people are taken aback when I don't just automatically accept what they have told me, and I have a reputation of being "difficult" because of it. I generally counter with, "if you can't tell me why we're doing this, then you haven't done enough homework."
Something I learned in business school
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_whys
An example of a problem is: The vehicle will not start.
- Why? – The battery is dead. (First why)
- Why? – The alternator is not functioning. (Second why)
- Why? – The alternator belt has broken. (Third why)
- Why? – The alternator belt was well beyond its useful service life and not replaced. (Fourth why)
- Why? – The vehicle was not maintained according to the recommended service schedule. (Fifth why, a root cause)[2]
I have used 5 whys my entire professional career...also 8-D and Fishbone diagrams (among other problem solving tools). I like 5-why the best though. Its the simplest, easiest to teach and generally effective.
Its pretty effective with Kids...which is why it works so well in a corporate environment!
Why, the simplest of questions. A heavy equipment shop foreman and good customer of mine for the last 20 years is retiring this month. To many that worked under him they considered him a serious hard ass because he demanded that you not explain what failed during a repair but why it failed before he allowed you to start replacing parts. Nothing he loathed more than something coming back for the same repair twice.
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Tough to measure, due to the large corner filet, but I'm getting 4.25 to the edge of the flare and the sheet metal is just behind that. The flare flange thickness is about .125, so I'd go with 4.125Asking for a friend. Somewhat urgent!
On an uncut TJ rear wheel opening, what is the measurement from the back of the opening to the vertical seam where the rounded corner begins?
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