They should have made TJs until 2010!

mattyice2

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Thinking about it, they should of made the Jeep tj until the 2010 year. The Pentastar V6 came out in 2011. If you would of waited 4 years then you wouldn't of had an underpowered mini van engine in the Wrangler. And we would of had more tj's. Just my fantasy lol
 
Well I think anyone who has owned or driven the 3.8 JKs can attest to how shitty that engine is.

The only reason they couldn't pull this off is because the 4.0 was no longer meeting emission standards. That's my understanding at least.
 
That’s my understanding as well. We can thank the government for that. I believe this is the same reason Dodge Hellcats aren’t going to have that awesome Hemi engine after this year as well.
 
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Well I think anyone who has owned or driven the 3.8 JKs can attest to how shitty that engine is.

The only reason they couldn't pull this off is because the 4.0 was no longer meeting emission standards. That's my understanding at least.
A litany of things put the TJ out to pasture. 4.0 emissions was part but a lot of safety standards changed that also had an impact. From crash test worthiness, to side airbags and fuel tank location and add to that Chrysler at the time trying to increase parts commonality the TJ was doomed.
 
Well I think anyone who has owned or driven the 3.8 JKs can attest to how shitty that engine is.

The only reason they couldn't pull this off is because the 4.0 was no longer meeting emission standards. That's my understanding at least.
If you think changing to the 3.8 for emissions was bad.....

"New Vehicles must average 40mpg by 2026, up from 28mpg."
 
If you think changing to the 3.8 for emissions was bad.....

"New Vehicles must average 40mpg by 2026, up from 28mpg."
Way gas prices are now...that's a good thing...with all the modern computer stuff you can do it and still have plenty of torque and HP.

-Mac
 
The internal combustion engine has pretty much reached its ultimate efficiency/power/torque limits. There aren't any more tricks in the bag to improve them. The Auto Companies are going to meet the 40mpg standard with battery/electric propulsion. Let's hope they start putting charging stations that will ACTUALLY have capacity to meet demand on the Rubicon.

FWIW, I had sales contract ready to sign for a new Wrangler 4xe hybrid till I actually compared its cost to operate with the electricity costs in Kona. It worked out to nearly 6$ an equivalent gallon to charge the battery in the 4xe compared to the then $3.50 a gallon to run the Jeep on just on gasoline. If fossil fuel costs continue at this level your electricity costs are going to rival those in Kona and an electric or hybrid is going to cost just as much or more to operate than a similar ICE powered car.
 
If you think changing to the 3.8 for emissions was bad.....

"New Vehicles must average 40mpg by 2026, up from 28mpg."
2026 Jeep Wrangler E, unleash your wild side, wilderness awaits!

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Agreed...but right now they think most consumers want gas guzzling 30' quad cab pickups.

Where are the Samurais and awesome little 4x4s?

-Mac
If the market wanted cute little 4x4's they'd be making lots of them. Some people need to tow trailers or haul things, there's a reason why we need trucks.
The internal combustion engine has pretty much reached its ultimate efficiency/power/torque limits. There aren't any more tricks in the bag to improve them. The Auto Companies are going to meet the 40mpg standard with battery/electric propulsion. Let's hope they start putting charging stations that will ACTUALLY have capacity to meet demand on the Rubicon.

FWIW, I had sales contract ready to sign for a new Wrangler 4xe hybrid till I actually compared its cost to operate with the electricity costs in Kona. It worked out to nearly 6$ an equivalent gallon to charge the battery in the 4xe compared to the then $3.50 a gallon to run the Jeep on just on gasoline. If fossil fuel costs continue at this level your electricity costs are going to rival those in Kona and an electric or hybrid is going to cost just as much or more to operate than a similar ICE powered car.
Gas prices are artificially high and a tactic. We have gone from being energy independent to totally dependent resulting in two dollar plus increase.
 
6$ an equivalent gallon to charge the battery in the 4xe compared to the then $3.50 a gallon to run the Jeep on just on gasoline. If fossil fuel costs continue at this level your electricity costs are going to rival those in Kona and an electric or hybrid is going to cost just as much or more to operate than a similar ICE powered car.
I'm not sure you understand how a hybrid works... You don't HAVE to plug it in, it will charge itself while driving...
 
Biggest issue I see with the hybrid Jeep is the complexity...I just about see the hours long videos on fixing them.

Electric should be simple.

Electric hub motors on all four wheels for IFS or single motors in solid axles. No transmission or driveshaft. Just a charger, batteries, a cooling system and wires.

Toss in a small ICE or diesel if you want a hybrid.

Manufacturers are making these too complicated for the sake of parts commonality...

-Mac
 
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