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Having installed many ACC carpet kits the best thing to hold it down is Weldwood contact adhesive, but then you can’t easily remove it. You could maybe find an upholstery shop to sew the Velcro onto the carpet. I have also sewn pockets that hold rare earth magnets to the back of carpet I put in a race car for easy removal.
 
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Ok so finished up most of the sound deadening today.

Things have kind of changed. I tried several times to get the mass backed vinyl and foam to work stay out in the quarter panels inside but it was very time consuming tender to keep flopping over. I still may revisit this option depending on how my current solution works out.

So after learning that the ACC Carpet has a mass backed option I figured that would be easier. For the LJ they only offer the cut to fit yourself option. So I got that for the back figuring it wouldn’t be to bad and for the most part it wasn’t. Other than finding a way to make it stay attached on the sides. (Photo below)

For the front I looked up Bedrugs part numbers for the TJ and LJ and they are the same. So figured I could order the “OEM fit” for the front from ACC for the TJ. Well I am not sure if TJ’s and LJ’s use different carpet in the front or not but I was not impressed at all with the fit and had to spend a long time trimming and cutting etc to get it to fit.

Here’s a couple photos of the finished installation.
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I ordered a quality jute for the floor and use a 1/8” closed cell foam on the vertical to act as a decoupler so noise doesn’t transfer through the vinyl. I tried the Jute everywhere but there was no way to get it to fit so had to compromise on the verticals.
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This photo shows what I have going on
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Sound deadener on bottom, 1/2” jute on top of that. Followed by ACC Mass Backed ESSEX carpet. The top is just a weather tech floor mat.

This is the main problem area, both sides are similar. I can’t get anything to stick to the mass backing. Tried some super aggressive industrial strength velcro that is a nightmare to get off metal and it won’t adhere at all to the mass backing on the carpet so not sure how I am gonna finish this out nice.
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I still have to see if am gonna try to do the rocket covers or not. The pieces they sent look like messy cut scraps and am not sure if they are worth the work.

One other problem is I am going to need to find longer bolts for the back of the center council since the carpet is thick and they are now too short.


So review time about the installation process.

I expected the ACC carpet to save me time in the front and fit much better than it did. If I would have known the fitment was gonna be that off I would have just stuck with original plan because it was likely just as much if not more work to make the carpet fit. The Bedrug took all of 5 minutes to install when I did it.

I have only takin the Jeep on a short drive and test trip. I think the best way to describe it is it sounds more refined. I hear less booming and resonance and think it may be a bit quieter. The head liner was night and day this is much more subtle. All the noises are basically still there but it is more distant and doesn’t seem to resonate as much. The real test will be if it is easier to communicate with my daughter in the back seat on long drives which was the whole point.

So as of now would I do it again?

If I happened do have another LJ laying around with nice OEM carpet I would pull it up and do the 60% coverage deadener for sure I think it was worth it and only took a couple hours to do and call it good.

If It was only a trail Jeep the Bedrug is really hard to beat. For a hybrid like mine I think my original plan would have been the better choice and one day if this carpet ever gets wrecked I will likely just go back to the bedrug, but only do the mass loaded vinyl underneath on the floor and just not worry about the verticals since it is quite tuff to get it to stay on them without using a bunch of adhesive I don’t want everywhere.

Long drive review to follow after I get it on the freeway for at least an hour. Really need a passenger inside to talk with to be sure. It might be much quieter, but hard to tell.
I have a few of the longer bolts for the console since I ran into the same problem before.
 
Having installed many ACC carpet kits the best thing to hold it down is Weldwood contact adhesive, but then you can’t easily remove it. You could maybe find an upholstery shop to sew the Velcro onto the carpet. I have also sewn pockets that hold rare earth magnets to the back of carpet I put in a race car for easy removal.

I have thought about sewing something on but the mass backing might make it tuff. I suppose I still might be able to do it. It doesn’t need much.
 
@Midnight LJR thanks for the review and photos. It kinda sucks about the fitment and finish issues. I saw @kmas0n review for a TJ and it seemed there were no fitment issues atleast at that time. I also remember seeing @L J post about two different kits for LJs, one cut to size and one that is cut larger that you have to trim. Not sure if this is still the case. I apologize if my comments earlier misled you in any way.

I still think ACC mass backed is a better solution long-term in terms of not putting something like Noico that can cause other issues later down the line. For other folks considering them, maybe an option to consider is to take this to an auto upholstery shop since they may have other tricks they know to get it fitting good?
 
@Midnight LJR thanks for the review and photos. It kinda sucks about the fitment and finish issues. I saw @kmas0n review for a TJ and it seemed there were no fitment issues atleast at that time. I also remember seeing @L J post about two different kits for LJs, one cut to size and one that is cut larger that you have to trim. Not sure if this is still the case. I apologize if my comments earlier misled you in any way.

I still think ACC mass backed is a better solution long-term in terms of not putting something like Noico that can cause other issues later down the line. For other folks considering them, maybe an option to consider is to take this to an auto upholstery shop since they may have other tricks they know to get it fitting good?
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@Midnight LJR thanks for the review and photos. It kinda sucks about the fitment and finish issues. I saw @kmas0n review for a TJ and it seemed there were no fitment issues atleast at that time. I also remember seeing @L J post about two different kits for LJs, one cut to size and one that is cut larger that you have to trim. Not sure if this is still the case. I apologize if my comments earlier misled you in any way.

I still think ACC mass backed is a better solution long-term in terms of not putting something like Noico that can cause other issues later down the line. For other folks considering them, maybe an option to consider is to take this to an auto upholstery shop since they may have other tricks they know to get it fitting good?

I am happy with the choice. I got a cut to fit rear and a “drop in” for the front. Once I cut it. It now fits well. Was just more work than expected.
 
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Looks great! Do you recall how the section by the back is attached?
I would buy a couple of the thin disc rare earth magnets, cut the vinyl backing so they would be flush to it, glue them to the back of the actual carpet with epoxy and call it a day. Don't be fooled by the ratings. 5 lbs of hold is more than plenty.
 
I have thought about sewing something on but the mass backing might make it tuff. I suppose I still might be able to do it. It doesn’t need much.
It would probably need to be done by a upholstery sewing machine or possibly a leather working machine. Those types of sewing machines can sew through very thick stuff.
 
I would buy a couple of the thin disc rare earth magnets, cut the vinyl backing so they would be flush to it, glue them to the back of the actual carpet with epoxy and call it a day. Don't be fooled by the ratings. 5 lbs of hold is more than plenty.
Rare earth magnets are very cool, we have been experimenting with them at the shop I work at for a few years now. They provide a way to solve problems that normal fasters can’t. It’s impressive how well they hold.
 
Rare earth magnets are very cool, we have been experimenting with them at the shop I work at for a few years now. They provide a way to solve problems that normal fasters can’t. It’s impressive how well they hold.
I've got a few of the mountable versions that are polarity specific to connect to each other for dash panels and such where a normal latch isn't feasible. The problem is getting the force correct so you don't destroy the panel trying to remove it or it falls off.
 
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I have thought about sewing something on but the mass backing might make it tuff. I suppose I still might be able to do it. It doesn’t need much.
I use some double-sided carpet tape. While not as plug-and-play as Velcro or magnets, I don't take the carpet out enough for it to be an issue.
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This is the main problem area, both sides are similar. I can’t get anything to stick to the mass backing. Tried some super aggressive industrial strength velcro that is a nightmare to get off metal and it won’t adhere at all to the mass backing on the carpet so not sure how I am gonna finish this out nice.
What about a snap kit?

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DX7J4YN/?tag=wranglerorg-20
 
I've got a few of the mountable versions that are polarity specific to connect to each other for dash panels and such where a normal latch isn't feasible. The problem is getting the force correct so you don't destroy the panel trying to remove it or it falls off.
They can be tricky to work with. Sewing them into thing’s with them sticking to my sewing machine is always a challenge. We actually started using them because Ford used them to hold up the headliner in some crossover SUV. We figured out those magnets were powerful enough to hold carpet and panels in place while we fabricated them.
 
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Ok last roof top tent delaminated. The replacement arrived damaged. I’ll have to talk to the company about that, in the meantime it doesn’t seem to serious.

How would you patch it? Just some black JB weld?

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Their website says it's ABS so I don't know if JB Weld is the right way to go, I guess it depends what type of repair you want? You'll get plenty of ideas searching ABS repair if nobody has any input here.