Prepping to sell my 2002 Jeep Wrangler

I guess I'll be the asshole...your jeep isn't worth 10k it's not worth 5k..on the west coast that is a parts jeep with the tub and frame being scrapped.

You seem to have some rose colored glasses when you did your assessment of the jeeps condition. With that said there is a sucker born every minute but anybody that is more than a little informed is going to run.
Never thought anyone was being an asshole, I asked for opinions and help. And that's what I'm getting. But the truth hurts, and the truth is, this isn't the west coast. A lot of factors go into this kind of stuff. Can you tell my why a rotted out, frame patch jeep tj 4 cylinder goes for 4999 in my local market?

My assessment is based off of the market that runs in my area. I've seen much much worse be sold for decent money, and this was before the price for vehicles went up.
 
Never thought anyone was being an asshole, I asked for opinions and help. And that's what I'm getting. But the truth hurts, and the truth is, this isn't the west coast. A lot of factors go into this kind of stuff. Can you tell my why a rotted out, frame patch jeep tj 4 cylinder goes for 4999 in my local market?
I buy and sell a ton of jeeps and parts and my perspective is based on the west coast. I know nothing about pricing or demand in your region so I have no idea why someone would pay 5k for a clapped out rusty tj.

A friend of mine has a 97 tj 4.0 long armed full doors 100 percent rust free jeep with a clean title and tons of tasteful mods. I can pick it up for 8k and I passed. The frame is black inside and out. The tub mounts are pristine.

At the end of the day it's your jeep and if someone can overlook all of the issues plus the issues brought to light by the pics then more power to ya
 
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I buy and sell a ton of jeeps and parts and my perspective is based on the west coast. I know nothing about pricing or demand in your region so I have no idea why someone would pay 5k for a clapped out rusty tj.

A friend of mine has a 97 tj 4.0 long armed full doors 100 percent rust free jeep with a clean title and tons of tasteful mods. I can pick it up for 8k and I passed. The frame is black inside and out. The tub mounts are pristine.

At the end of the day it's your jeep and if someone can overlook all of the issues plus the issues brought to light by the pics then more power to ya
The whole point of this forum post was to address the more severe issues at hand to see If it would be worth the time and money. The market is expensive in my area for jeeps, because people have way too much money, and within a 75mile radius, there are a mega shit load of off road trails and parks. Around here, you're not paying for the jeep, you're paying for the platform to build on. That's why a rotted out jeep tj with a shitty motor goes for so much. How ever much anyone wants to believe that the frame is shot on my jeep, it is not. It's not warped or cracked or rotted. People who know my jeep (I'm well inside off road groups for Toyotas and jeeps) have said 8-10k is what they would pay. I need help with solving the issues about the *surface* rust and some of the other issues like the windshield, or to even see if its worth the money or time to fix such a problem. I do not need help telling me what my jeep is worth. I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but hopefully this post clears the atmosphere on this forum post.
 
I sold an unmodified LJ with 150k miles with more rust than that for 6250$ which caused me to break even/lose a couple hundred. Since your jeep is soft top with lift/bigger tires it's not unreasonable to get 8k for it now that the weather is getting nice. What a lot of people are failing to take into consideration is not every buyer is TJ enthusiast looking very closely at everything, some are even in a rush. They may repeat the same thing that they all do "these TJs have rust problems" but they may not be bothered to look closely or know the significance of what they are looking at or how much rust is enough to break off with your bare hands. Good luck on the sale someone will buy it even if you have to lose money. Don't stay stuck with a rusty bucket just because you "have no choice".
 
I sold an unmodified LJ with 150k miles with more rust than that for 6250$ which caused me to break even/lose a couple hundred. Since your jeep is soft top with lift/bigger tires it's not unreasonable to get 8k for it now that the weather is getting nice. What a lot of people are failing to take into consideration is not every buyer is TJ enthusiast looking very closely at everything, some are even in a rush. They may repeat the same thing that they all do "these TJs have rust problems" but they may not be bothered to look closely or know the significance of what they are looking at or how much rust is enough to break off with your bare hands. Good luck on the sale someone will buy it even if you have to lose money. Don't stay stuck with a rusty bucket just because you "have no choice".
So, you are endorsing that the OP allow potential buyers to only rely on due diligence, and not disclose known issues?
 
So, you are endorsing that the OP allow potential buyers to only rely on due diligence, and not disclose known issues?
I'm not telling anyone what to do, I'm just telling it how it is. It's a 20 year old vehicle with a 150k miles. If it has an obvious problem the buyer should utilize his brain to find it. Rust is a huge grey area and it's up to the buyer to examine these things, the vehicle is being sold as is without warranty. If it has a problem that only shows up intermittently like a check engine light that's been cleared and wont come back on for 150 miles that's a dick move, trust me that is exactly what happened to me multiple times. There's a dealership where I live called Driver's Village. I don't know what their practices are with new vehicles but at the dealer trade in lot they clear the codes and if it doesn't come back by the time the dealer comes to pick it up it's a tough titty, too bad so sad you drive off the lot it's your car now. It's happened to me about 4 times now, one of their workers a young kid out of high school even told me once, "Don't bid on that Mercedes, they cleared the code". And that was before covid now they only have junk cars and with check engine lights on every single one. There's literally nothing decent available. So yea long story short if you are looking for a used car right now have fun
 
I buy and sell a ton of jeeps and parts and my perspective is based on the west coast. I know nothing about pricing or demand in your region so I have no idea why someone would pay 5k for a clapped out rusty tj.

A friend of mine has a 97 tj 4.0 long armed full doors 100 percent rust free jeep with a clean title and tons of tasteful mods. I can pick it up for 8k and I passed. The frame is black inside and out. The tub mounts are pristine.

At the end of the day it's your jeep and if someone can overlook all of the issues plus the issues brought to light by the pics then more power to ya
I'm from KY and can confirm TJ asking prices are absolutely nuts here. It's at least partially due to most everything here rusts. I rarely see a TJ out and about anymore(on road or off road). I've seen modded, rusty/corroded 4.0l examples bring $10-12k locally. That frame and body rust is intense though.

On the other hand, I bought my rust free Rubicon with 78k miles 6 years ago for $7500. It was bone stock but solid and well maintained. Not the same market but an example from the area. OP, I'd clean it up the best you can and sell it as is if the frame is actually cracked.
 
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I'm from KY and can confirm TJ asking prices are absolutely nuts here. It's at least partially due to most everything here rusts. I rarely see a TJ out and about anymore(on road or off road). I've seen modded, rusty/corroded 4.0l examples bring $10-12k locally. That frame and body rust is intense though.

On the other hand, I bought my rust free Rubicon with 78k miles 6 years ago for $7500. It was bone stock but solid and well maintained. Not the same market but an example from the area. OP, I'd clean it up the best you can and sell it as is if the frame is actually cracked.
If I recall, 7500 6 years ago was a little different than 7500 in 2022 😅

The cost of everything has gone up exponentially I feel like
 
If I recall, 7500 6 years ago was a little different than 7500 in 2022 😅
Which is why I said it was a different market. Pull the tub, wire wheel down all the rust and POR-15 the frame. You're only out time and maybe $100. It'll at least present better. See if you can find a replacement mount, cut out the cancer, weld in sheet metal/mount and go from there. In this market, someone will probably take it as is just maybe not at $8k-$10k. You never know. The frame looks cracked to me but pictures have been deceiving in the past. Good luck either way.
 
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Which is why I said it was a different market. Pull the tub, wire wheel down all the rust and POR-15 the frame. You're only out time and maybe $100. It'll at least present better. See if you can find a replacement mount, cut out the cancer, weld in sheet metal/mount and go from there. In this market, someone will probably take it as is just maybe not at $8k-$10k. You never know. The frame looks cracked to me but pictures have been deceiving in the past. Good luck either way.
Thanks for the input. I've considered cleaning up the frame. Actually, the pictures show the worst part. The front and rear (even the arches) of the frame aren't even chipped from the paint

I'm just afraid that it would scare off buyers. I mean any jeep owner would por 15 the frame as a preventive measure, right?
 
You could also use reinforced patch panels for the tub
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Thanks for the input. I've considered cleaning up the frame. Actually, the pictures show the worst part. The front and rear (even the arches) of the frame aren't even chipped from the paint

I'm just afraid that it would scare off buyers. I mean any jeep owner would por 15 the frame as a preventive measure, right?
I've only done fluid film, drilled a couple drain holes in the frame so I can hose it out and regularly hosed off underneath. It's worked for me so far. I've used Por-15 on most of my project cars though with good long-term results.

I don't think it would scare anyone away. It shows that you at least did some up keep to the frame.
 
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So, you are endorsing that the OP allow potential buyers to only rely on due diligence, and not disclose known issues?
No one said that I would do that. I have a conscious ya know. If there are known issues with the vehicle, I'll be up front with them about the issues. I don't care of someone knowing the issues costs me to not sell the vehicle, I wouldn't do that to anyone.
 
No one said that I would do that. I have a conscious ya know. If there are known issues with the vehicle, I'll be up front with them about the issues. I don't care of someone knowing the issues costs me to not sell the vehicle, I wouldn't do that to anyone.
Good man. You getting out of wheeling or have another rig lined up? I'm rebuilding my TJ but I'm also working on a GX currently. Where do you like to go in the state?
 
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Good man. You getting out of wheeling or have another rig lined up? I'm rebuilding my TJ but I'm also working on a GX currently. Where do you like to go in the state?
Yeah unfortunately wheeling wasn't the thing for me. Maybe in a few years I'll buy a wrangler or xj and make a rock crawler out of it when I have the extra cash. I currently drive a charger rt so I've gotten into street cars lately. I've been looking to get some money to put a down payment on a new grand cherokee which is why I'm looking to sell my jeep tj

Also, I travel to rush off road park and some parks in mid Ohio for most of my wheeling
 
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I'd clean out and treat the inside of the frame, then wire wheel and paint the outer frame at the very least. Very little money and time to make it look as good as you can. I bought a 99' TJ without looking at the frame. I looked it over when I got home and the frame had been patched. The welds looked like lumps of chewed bubble gum and the skid had been welded to the frame. I sold it 2 months later for $7,000 (paid $6,000) with 102,000 miles on it. The guy that bought it from me didn't care about the frame. He said he was going to drive it through the summer and then flip it. He sold it 3 months later for $9500.
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The only reason someone would be scared off by cleaning up the frame would be if you do a crappy job. These are both the same frame. Which one would you want to buy? FWIW, both the inside and outside were done.

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