My TJ did a 180 today turning left

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It was slightly rainy today I was driving home roads were wet i had the green and I was going into 3rd while turning as I was letting off the clutch my back end got lose. I counter stear and kept my foot on the peddle not hard like 10% throttle not trying to fish tail but felt I had it under control. As im " drifting " I start to approach the straight away were I was turning so I turned the wheel harder right to counter the left turn while sliding. I'm going straight but I'm still sideways I feel the jeep it's about to straighten back up so I let go of the wheel knowing I'm about to slide the other way. But I came back around so quickly I did a 180. Scared the fuck out of me. I stayed in my lane I have drifted cars and trucks but never a jeep on payment unless it was snowing. My 1st thought was the short wheel base combined with my cocky driving.

Has anyone else had this happen? I wasn't driving like an ass. I was just vibing to some dirty heads.
 
Common in sports cars, when you don't blip the throttle wile down shifting to get the revs at least in the neighborhood of correct for the gear you are going into, you rely on the tires traction to force the engine up to speed. In some cases (yours) the tire can't provide that grip so they instead lock up momentarily like you pulled the E-brake. That coupled with the fact that TJ's have such a short wheel base and relatively low turning ratio means they're a real bare to keep in line once the rear end steps out.

Sorry for the mediocre explanation, I think it gets the pint across but I'm sure someone will have a more eloquently worded one. I have had her give me a few "surprise driving tests", normally in light rain but I don't think I have every actually lost it.
 
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Edit: i did rev match but i think my rpms were faster then the wheel speed so the extra power went to the wheels causeing it to break free. I just need to be more careful when the roads are wet. I have pro comp tires there like glue on dry pavement but I have locked my brakes a few times when the roads were wet. But never experienced any thing like that before. That was wild made me have more respect in the rain now that's for sure. It could have ended very differently.
 
I have no experience with the Pro-comps, but I ran KM3's for a while. Aside from the fact that they're loud (and they are) they're great, surprisingly great wet performance, even better than the cooper A/T's I am running RN (not my favorite tire). You have to remember that these Jeeps are 20 years old, there are 0 driver safety aids, not a one. It's all on you to not screw it up or to keep a handle on what you are doing. I actually find the new cars safety junk to get in my way and be waaay more dangerous than a TJ on the street could ever be...... but now I sound like @Zorba :)
 
My tires if anyone was wondering.

But that's why I love this jeep. It's simple even came with built-in 6 speed anti theft system and drives from gas station to gas station.

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My tires if anyone was wondering.

But that's why I love this jeep. It's simple even came with built-in 6 speed anti theft system and drives from gas station to gas station.

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Yes, wide tires get up on the water- I’ve done it and seen other TJs get loose- a kid nearly went 180 in a Bojangles drive thru recently. He drives worse than me from what I’ve seen so I laughed.


“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man”
 
Light vehicle, wide tires and fresh rain is a bad combo. My KM2’s are sketchy in the rain, but they’re old and hardening up. I’d like to say they have good traction in dry conditions, but we all know we don’t have enough power for that to become an issue.
 
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It was slightly rainy today I was driving home roads were wet i had the green and I was going into 3rd while turning as I was letting off the clutch my back end got lose. I counter stear and kept my foot on the peddle not hard like 10% throttle not trying to fish tail but felt I had it under control. As im " drifting " I start to approach the straight away were I was turning so I turned the wheel harder right to counter the left turn while sliding. I'm going straight but I'm still sideways I feel the jeep it's about to straighten back up so I let go of the wheel knowing I'm about to slide the other way. But I came back around so quickly I did a 180. Scared the fuck out of me. I stayed in my lane I have drifted cars and trucks but never a jeep on payment unless it was snowing. My 1st thought was the short wheel base combined with my cocky driving.

Has anyone else had this happen? I wasn't driving like an ass. I was just vibing to some dirty heads.

So did it catch and spin right or did you straightened the wheel too soon and spun left?
 
So did it catch and spin right or did you straightened the wheel too soon and spun left?

Not sure it happened so quickly but almost positive I didn't force the wheel straight i had it turned just about all the way right i let go of the wheel because i could feel i was going to slide the other way so i let go of the wheel and it turned all the way to the left like it should have i was just letting the jeep do this thing. I blame my self and the wheel base.
 
The slickest road I ever hit was some new blacktop, mid-summer, just as the rain started. The rain floated the oils up out of the new blacktop. I hit the throttle, and the car vibrated a little but didn't budge. I thought I had busted a driveshaft. I got out and looked under it, found no parts on the ground. I got in, tried to take off again (perfectly flat ground), and it just vibrated, didn't budge. I opened the door, hung my head out, hit the throttle, and saw the back tires spinning on the wet oily blacktop with no traction whatsoever. I had to push with one foot to get it to roll a little. Once it started moving, it wanted to fishtail, tried to do what your Jeep did. Wet road paint can be almost as slick (very bad for a motorcycle trying to turn a corner).

Was it on new or new-ish blacktop?
 
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Yeah, super slick during the first rain after a dry spell. The oils just collect on the surface of the road. First rain slick as, well you know.
 
I've had this happen to me in my neighborhood in the winter time. It only gets salt or plowed if a resident does it, so usually it's packed snow and ice. Taking off from a stop one time I was a little too hard on the gas and just went for a spin. Kind of fun actually, but glad I didn't hit anything. Into 4x4 it went and I was OK then on. I've since gotten much better at feathering the clutch in those conditions and 2wd is good enough usually. But yeah, our TJs are super easy to spin.

I have no experience with the Pro-comps, but I ran KM3's for a while. Aside from the fact that they're loud (and they are) they're great, surprisingly great wet performance, even better than the cooper A/T's I am running RN (not my favorite tire). You have to remember that these Jeeps are 20 years old, there are 0 driver safety aids, not a one. It's all on you to not screw it up or to keep a handle on what you are doing. I actually find the new cars safety junk to get in my way and be waaay more dangerous than a TJ on the street could ever be...... but now I sound like @Zorba

I used to think this way, but recently I've come around to the safety aids a bit. My wife's Honda Pilot has a lot of that stuff, and one time on vacation the collision avoidance put the brakes on so hard that it felt like my head almost touched the steering wheel. The car in front of us had slammed on their brakes too and I hadn't noticed right away (shame on me). RIGHT as I noticed and before I could react our car had braked itself. We would have hit them otherwise, no doubt. My little girl was in the back seat... I'm super grateful for that tech now. But I still don't trust it 100%... is it going to someday get it wrong and brake the vehicle for no damned reason and then we get rear-ended? I hope not, but it seems possible to me. Sometimes on sharp turns when another car is coming (so our front end is facing them) it will flash "BRAKE" on the dash... hasn't tried to brake yet but it makes me wonder if it will someday.

The slickest road I ever hit was some new blacktop, mid-summer, just as the rain started. The rain floated the oils up out of the new blacktop. I hit the throttle, and the car vibrated a little but didn't budge. I thought I had busted a driveshaft. I got out and looked under it, found no parts on the ground. I got in, tried to take off again (perfectly flat ground), and it just vibrated, didn't budge. I opened the door, hung my head out, hit the throttle, and saw the back tires spinning on the wet oily blacktop with no traction whatsoever. I had to push with one foot to get it to roll a little. Once it started moving, it wanted to fishtail, tried to do what your Jeep did. Wet road paint can be almost as slick (very bad for a motorcycle trying to turn a corner).

Was it on new or new-ish blacktop?

Getting a motorcycle has greatly improved my knowledge of road hazards and made me a better driver overall. I drive other vehicles as if I'm on my motorcycle and I'm sure it has prevented a crash or two. So many drivers out there glued to their phones. Saw two go through an intersection with their heads down staring at their laps just the other day. Crazy.
 
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