It's already greater than the line strength, not sure why it matters beyond that and not coming undone.
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It's already greater than the line strength, not sure why it matters beyond that and not coming undone.
It's been a long time coming. He turned himself into jodomcfrodo a while ago.
2 Fairleads and 4 shackles one the way.
One set for dads Jeep and one set for the truck.
Thanks Blaine!
One set for dads Jeep and one set for the truck.
Thanks Blaine!
I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but apparently I was wrong.
The weird thing is that I'm not even sure how he was able to respond to this thread. He and Blaine were blocked from seeing each others threads or posts on the forum. Somehow he managed to skirt that, which makes me think there is a glitch with the ignore feature (it's imperfect anyways, I'm aware).
In any case, it sounds like he won't be missed.
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I keep meaning to explain something about soft shackles but the logistics of trying to get all this stuff on the site has distracted me. They are a wear item. That is the main reason I'm putting them out there as cheap as I possibly can. Cut it, tear it up on axle brackets, abrade it too much on a shackle eye, lose it, wear it out or whatever, I want them cheap enough to replace so that it isn't a problem and no one feels badly about just throwing away a worn out or damaged item.
The rope company has their own testing lab if it matters to anyone. This is what I get-
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I have no WRG stickers. I'm working on them, my sticker guy is working on them. All I got for now.
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Likely and I don't know that I mind. My options would be as follows-
Red
Bright green
Orange
Yellow
Bright blue
Dark Gray
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He knew what he was doing or he wouldn't have mentioned trespassing. While he is ignored or was on the forum, the email notifications show what was said which I typically don't read but did when I saw Josh's air responses.
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I really need to start paying attention. I completely forgot to mention that anyone in Alaska or Hawaii or the other places where UPS and FedEx just rapes us on shipping costs can request USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate for the fairleads. The shackles already ship that way.
We use that daily to ship to those areas to save money on shipping. We just converted a UPS fee of over 200 bucks to ship a pair of calipers and brake pads to Hawaii to be 40ish bucks and that included a little bit extra because it was two packages and I spent a lot of time packing them to make sure they got there safely.
So, to answer the questions we received, yes, we do not mind doing that at all. We already do it daily..
We use that daily to ship to those areas to save money on shipping. We just converted a UPS fee of over 200 bucks to ship a pair of calipers and brake pads to Hawaii to be 40ish bucks and that included a little bit extra because it was two packages and I spent a lot of time packing them to make sure they got there safely.
So, to answer the questions we received, yes, we do not mind doing that at all. We already do it daily..
This statement has me picturing an old toothless hillbilly talking about how many trucks he's pulled out of the mud with logging chain.
Yes it works but isn't necessarily "best."
The truth is the diamond knot is the weak point and is where a new shackle will break. The button knot is stronger.
But that isn't necessarily a problem. If you're looking to use the absolute minimum-sized line possible then yes you should use the stronger knot. If you're using oversized line to account for wear and suboptimal attachment points are you're meeting the design requirements then it doesn't matter, and there are other practical benefits tot he diamond knot: it's easier to tie correctly and uses less rope.
Too bad some people can't have these discussions without being a dick.
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My personal experience with them shows exactly what you explained. Since the line is not at the absolute minimum size for reasons that generally fall far outside of what we need, it will be next to impossible to break the shackle with any winch typically found on the front of a Jeep. Given that these have an average break rating of more than any high strength 10mm winch line, it just isn't a problem. (10mm was chosen because it is larger than the typical 3/8" we use and therefore has a higher rating.
It is the same as always, bigger is stronger, right? Put another way, 5 on 5.5 wheel bolt circles are stronger than our 5 on 4.5 bolt circles which is the wrong way round to look at it. The better question is whether or not 5 on 4.5 is strong enough and that answer is yes it is.
Even the 4 door JK only got a slight bump up to 5 on 5" bolt circle so even a minor increase in diameter moves the strength way up.
At the end of the day, these are not designed to be the best bumper jewelry you can acquire. They are designed to be serviceable, durable, and cost effective for most anything we need to do. They do that very well and not including shelf stock, my personal stash is likely as large or larger than most anyone's and I have literally beat the ever living crap out of a few of them doing stupid stuff that no one should ever do and still haven't managed to render one useless.
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I wasn't fibbing, I am working on stickers with my sticker guy and when they become available, I'm glad to send some out to anyone in need.
For those that still measure with the kings shoe that is 27778 lbs. So unless you are trying to double line a 12k or larger winch these are plenty adequate. I wish more people understood that winch line (even wire rope), the fairlead and all the other bits used for recovery are wear items and do not have an indefinite service life.