WRG winch lines, lets chat

mrblaine

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Per usual, anything I do will be slightly different than what is commonly accepted as correct and useful. When it comes to winch lines, there is so much bullshit out there that I fear this may be a tougher row to hoe than I suspect if the education is not quick and easily absorbed. So, a few questions for folks to see if this is really something I want to try and do.

1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?
 
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I believe abrasion guards are worthless and can be dangerous if they hide damage to the line.
I understand a set screw is not an anchor.
I am more than OK with with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring.
I know that overfilling the drum will do very bad things to my winch.

I could use a new winch line to go with my new fairlead and would place one of the first orders should it be offered.
 
I wouldn't want an abrasion sleeve (I removed mine)
I want to mount the line in the best way possible
I would only want 85' with a thimble

My M8000 is ready for new line so I'm watching closely
 
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I want to mount the line in the best way possible

I tend to factor in worst case scenario. That means my perfect anchor would be a small eye in the end of the line and that lassos the drum so you could load the line with the full weight of the rig and it would still be attached by the line around the drum.
 
I tend to factor in worst case scenario. That means my perfect anchor would be a small eye in the end of the line and that lassos the drum so you could load the line with the full weight of the rig and it would still be attached by the line around the drum.

Having never owned a winch before I figure that you have a better idea of what works and what doesn't
 
Per usual, anything I do will be slightly different than what is commonly accepted as correct and useful. When it comes to winch lines, there is so much bullshit out there that I fear this may be a tougher row to hoe than I suspect if the education is not quick and easily absorbed. So, a few questions for folks to see if this is really something I want to try and do.

1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1 - I don't use an abrasion guard, and If I were to use one, It would be wrapped around the line where the abrasion potential exists, not riding around on my winch all the time.

2- The small screw only provides a stop to prevent the rope from spinning around the drum when you spool the first layer, after that, friction takes over.

3 - Unfamiliar with this method, but interested in learning

4 - WATCH THOSE SIDE PULLS!
 
Per usual, anything I do will be slightly different than what is commonly accepted as correct and useful. When it comes to winch lines, there is so much bullshit out there that I fear this may be a tougher row to hoe than I suspect if the education is not quick and easily absorbed. So, a few questions for folks to see if this is really something I want to try and do.

1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1 - No need to run one.

2 - They really do this?

3 - Not sure what this is if the WRG one works on with my Warn Zeon, I'm good.

4 - Yep, don't do this.
 
I suppose those of us who have been following along here understand all of your points but that is a very small fraction of the buyers out there. The rest of the market will probably cling to the mythology and marketing that has been spread around since forever.
 
I suppose those of us who have been following along here understand all of your points but that is a very small fraction of the buyers out there. The rest of the market will probably cling to the mythology and marketing that has been spread around since forever.

I get that part, but it has to start some place and my position with all of the vendors I've been involved with who acquiesce to customer demands rather than spend the time to educate is we all benefit from informed customers. If they won't buy a winch line without a bullshit sliding sleeve, then so be it. But there again, I tend to be an ass about stuff like that so if someone wants to believe I'm an ass for only offering stuff a certain way, I'm likely good with that.
 
So why have you not become a vendor?


I'm in for 85 to 100ft of orange line with no jewelry. For my non existent winch to go with my ST fairlead and soft shackles I got inbound. Thanks!

Also can you just throw the savvy rockers and step sliders on your list so I can get some? Please.
 
1. I’ve leaned from the discussions here that I wouldn’t want an abrasion guard.
2. I can’t see how that would anchor the line.
3. That sounds like a better way to me.
4. I have also learned why 100’ of line is a bad thing, I would only want 85’.
I need to replace mine soon so watching.
 
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So why have you not become a vendor?
Dude! How many hours a day do you think I should be working? I'm good for a little more than half a day now (7 days a week) and I don't know how much more I've got in me.
I'm in for 85 to 100ft of orange line with no jewelry. For my non existent winch to go with my ST fairlead and soft shackles I got inbound. Thanks!
We'll see how this thread goes before I jump in with both feet.
Also can you just throw the savvy rockers and step sliders on your list so I can get some? Please.
Step sliders will never be on that list. Unless you mean the normal Savvy versions? But there again it comes down to time.
 
Per usual, anything I do will be slightly different than what is commonly accepted as correct and useful. When it comes to winch lines, there is so much bullshit out there that I fear this may be a tougher row to hoe than I suspect if the education is not quick and easily absorbed. So, a few questions for folks to see if this is really something I want to try and do.

1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1. I could take it or leave it. Mine rides on the hook end of the rope and I slide it where its needed on very rare occasion. Mostly it just gets in the way and pisses me off.
2. I have the M8000S with stock rope. It has a red section to remind the dummies that you need some rope on the spool to keep it from ripping out the set screw.
3. See above, either works fine for me. Keep enough rope on and its be fine either way.
4. I want as much line as I can get without overfilling. If it binds when spooling in, I pull it and respool it. 85ft min.

I want red. Currently running a Super Winch hook with safety latch but know that is controversial. I could talked into a thimble.
 
Dude! How many hours a day do you think I should be working? I'm good for a little more than half a day now (7 days a week) and I don't know how much more I've got in me.

Idk that's why I'm asking. Seems to me like there's still some money to be made with the knowledge of guys like you and JScherb in this fastly dying Jeep TJ industry. Because vendors are taking their toys and going home and just not giving AF anymore.

But then you start giving us an inch by making soft shackles and the best hawse fairleads and safety thimbles in the industry available again, so I'm just asking for the mile that's all.

There's a lot of shit that people want in this market and when it's the best there is and it's not available anymore we just look at who's the guy that can make it happen.

But I get it you guys have done your time and want to ride out into the sunset. You're owed it.

Step sliders will never be on that list. Unless you mean the normal Savvy versions? But there again it comes down to time.
Whatever savvy calls step sliders that go on the outside of the rocker guards. That haven't been in production or available regularly in a couple years and there's no date in sight when or if they'll ever be available again. And hardly nobody else in the entire Jeep TJ industry makes anything comparable in the same ballpark price wise.

I get I'm about 10 years too late to the TJ game but I made it better late than never. And I just happen to like nice quality things.
 
But I get it you guys have done your time and want to ride out into the sunset. You're owed it.

I'd hardly call taking on considerably more work and adding new products riding off into the sunset. I'm working longer and harder than I ever have.
Whatever savvy calls step sliders that go on the outside of the rocker guards. That haven't been in production or available regularly in a couple years and there's no date in sight when or if they'll ever be available again. And hardly nobody else in the entire Jeep TJ industry makes anything comparable in the same ballpark price wise.

I get I'm about 10 years too late to the TJ game but I made it better late than never. And I just happen to like nice quality things.
The normal sliders then?