WRG winch lines, lets chat

I'd hardly call taking on considerably more work and adding new products riding off into the sunset. I'm working longer and harder than I ever have.

I understood adding these products you rescued was only the limited run until the stock you bought was gone. If that's not the case then hell ya more power to ya. You also said you're only good for half days now and you didn't know how much more you had left in you and I just took that as not much more. My bad.

The normal sliders then?

Yes.

I could mention a couple more things you've designed that I think you should make available again but I digress.
 
I understood adding these products you rescued was only the limited run until the stock you bought was gone. If that's not the case then hell ya more power to ya.
Not the case at all. The rescue was just the impetus to do something I've been dragging my feet on. I did not rescue soft shackles or Safety Thimbles.
You also said you're only good for half days now and you didn't know how much more you had left in you and I just took that as not much more. My bad.
You fully understand that there are 24 hours in a day and I'm working more than half that, right?
Yes.

I could mention a couple more things you've designed that I think you should make available again but I digress.
Don't be shy, all I can say is piss off.
 
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Not the case at all. The rescue was just the impetus to do something I've been dragging my feet on. I did not rescue soft shackles or Safety Thimbles.

You fully understand that there are 24 hours in a day and I'm working more than half that, right?

Don't be shy, all I can say is piss off.
That's good to know. (y)


Lol you're self employed that's your fault then. I was thinking at most on average half a normal 10hr shift as a half day.

Bumpers.
 
1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?
1) My TRE came with it. Even as little as I've used my winch setup thus far, its a minor PITA to deal with. If you don't think it helps, dump it.

2) I didn't know that until you got on my ass over my line spooling video. Said video has now been re-issued with an errata correction with the line wrapped over the "tail".

3) Don't know enough to have an opinion.

4) Should be self evident, but from your question I'm guessing this escapes notice.

Are you also going to get into the "Matt's boinga-boinga Recovery Rope" business? I'd like to hear your thoughts on that market segment - 'cause I dunno myself.
 
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1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1. Never had one on mine. And have been irritated enough with others that I have removed them while setting up the rigging and told the owners to throw it away. I have used thick layering of folded blankets to protect the rope when we haven't found a way to avoid dragging it over the landscape. But that is a fairly rare problem for us to solve.

2. My synthetic rope has been held on the drum with tape for many years. If my winch has a place for the eyelet and screw, I wasn't aware that was a thing when I first put the synthetic rope on.

3. Ok with it and like the idea. But have not taken the time to change the tape on mine. Maybe if I was starting with a fresh rope.

4. Very aware. In recent years, we have been very attentive to how the rope is stacking up on the drum. And will stop and respool as often as is necessary to protect the rope and winch cross bars.
 
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I'm also curious about the wizard's input on kinetic ropes.

Mud or sand, they work. Rocks and it can create some dangerous situations.

You want nothing metal in a kinetic set up and do not use a tow bar / ball for a connection point. To much risk of creating a high speed projectile.

Matt's does this often and it makes me cringe.
 
1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

It does seem like a good idea to have something to protect the line from abrasion when needed, and having it already on the line seems like a good idea. My M8274-S came with one, and I kept it, but I really have nowhere near enough experience yet to form an opinion.

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

Yes, I do understand it. Pretty obvious to me - anyone who thinks that a screw of that size is capable of a supporting the load on a winch line really shouldn't be doing recoveries.

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

I have no problem with that.

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

Yes, I do understand it. Again, pretty obvious to me.
 
Per usual, anything I do will be slightly different than what is commonly accepted as correct and useful. When it comes to winch lines, there is so much bullshit out there that I fear this may be a tougher row to hoe than I suspect if the education is not quick and easily absorbed. So, a few questions for folks to see if this is really something I want to try and do.

1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1. Nope. However, I do carry a small piece of old fire hose for abrasion protection if needed. I look for other alternatives first than dragging line over a rock.

2. The screw is there just to hold the line in place until you can get the needed first handful of wraps to create the necessary friction to hold it in place. As stated by others, tape works as well.

3. Neutral

4. Overfilling your winch not only can damage it, but the most power comes from the first row of wraps on the drum. As you add more line, it requires more wraps, which equals more layers, which equals reduced capability. 85 ft. is a good length for most uses. I bought 120' of line and cut it down to make an extension if needed.
 
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I'm also curious about the wizard's input on kinetic ropes.
I have an oddball position on that one. I put kinetic ropes and straps firmly in the same place as hi-lift jacks. If you don't know what you are doing, don't own one. I don't use a hi-lift except to give spiders a different place to build webs. I use the crap out of kinetic ropes, I have several sizes and they do stuff you can NOT do any other way.

Fantastic tool. Most are afraid to use them and rightly so, good way to die if you are stupid and do stupid things. If you have the selection of sizes you should own and the know how to go with them, they will do things you simply can't believe can be done.
 
I have an oddball position on that one. I put kinetic ropes and straps firmly in the same place as hi-lift jacks. If you don't know what you are doing, don't own one. I don't use a hi-lift except to give spiders a different place to build webs. I use the crap out of kinetic ropes, I have several sizes and they do stuff you can NOT do any other way.

Fantastic tool. Most are afraid to use them and rightly so, good way to die if you are stupid and do stupid things. If you have the selection of sizes you should own and the know how to go with them, they will do things you simply can't believe can be done.

Go on…. I have one I never use
 
1-How many believe that a pre installed piece of tubular nylon sleeve to be used as an abrasion guard has value and should be included?

2-There are lots of ways to anchor line to the winch drum, how many understand that the style with the small screw into the side of the drum actually does NOT anchor the line?

3-How many are okay with the slip knot and over wrapped tail style of anchoring?

4-How many understand that overfilling the drum with extra line has the potential to blow up your winch?

1. I thought it seemed like a good idea in certain situations. But, I think I understand how it can be a problem or useless also when it's preinstalled and not removable. I like @hosejockey61 's idea of using a small piece of fire hose. So much so, that I'm headed to eBay to see if I can find a reasonably priced small piece.

2. Understood.

3. Not really sure I understand completely what this is.

4. Understood.
 
It does seem like a good idea to have something to protect the line from abrasion when needed, and having it already on the line seems like a good idea. My M8274-S came with one, and I kept it, but I really have nowhere near enough experience yet to form an opinion.



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Abrasion Sleeves as described here don't do anything to protect the rope. They are not thick enough to offer any meaningful protection. But they are just thick enough material to be in the way and bunch up while spooling the drum.