EV thread

EV is being pushed as a government control over you. California is 890 miles from bottom to top. How mush time to charge it versus fueling up your gas car every 300 miles? Too mush time to charge it? Fuck it, I'll just stay local. No thanks.

Just like public transportation. You are subject to the governments time schedule.

Control. Fuck you. I go when and where I want.

AMS417 said:

EV specific tires basically means low noise. Without the traditional engine there is no ambient noise so all you hear is the tire noise while driving. Several major manufacturers are producing EV tires with noise canceling features, most of them are using a noise absorbing foam lining that makes the tire more difficult to repair if punctured.

Since a Model S weighs as much as a 4x4 F150 and has the torque of a modern diesel truck they wear tires at a rapid rate. Replacing the tires with the correct EV tires is causing some serious sticker shock, check the prices online. Nearly double a traditional tire. Using non OEM tires is causing noise complaints. One more problem to solve.

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Easy and free Jeep-style fix: turn up the radio.

srimes said:

Easy and free Jeep-style fix: turn up the radio.

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I haven’t noticed increased tire noise at all tbh. The overall experience feels quieter to me

RINC said:

EV is being pushed as a government control over you. California is 890 miles from bottom to top. How mush time to charge it versus fueling up your gas car every 300 miles? Too mush time to charge it? Fuck it, I'll just stay local. No thanks.

Just like public transportation. You are subject to the governments time schedule.

Control. Fuck you. I go when and where I want.

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Supercharge rate is 15min/175 miles

890 miles - initial charge of 350 miles = 540 miles to charge on the road

540 miles/175= 3.08

3.08 X 15 min = 46 minutes of charge time on the road

In the grand scheme of A 15 hour drive where you still have stop to poop and eat, 46 minutes of charging ain’t bad.

srimes said:

Easy and free Jeep-style fix: turn up the radio.

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Have you tried ear plugs? I try that or something that's noise isolating with blue tooth.

I had steering/suspension issues i let go too long on 2 vehicles recently and they messed up the tread on the mud tires, the noise is not enjoyable and it's noticeably hurting the MPGs.

starkey480 said:

I haven’t noticed increased tire noise at all tbh. The overall experience feels quieter to me


Supercharge rate is 15min/175 miles

890 miles - initial charge of 350 miles = 540 miles to charge on the road

540 miles/175= 3.08

3.08 X 15 min = 46 minutes of charge time on the road

In the grand scheme of A 15 hour drive where you still have stop to poop and eat, 46 minutes of charging ain’t bad.

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The only issue with that is that, the chargers currently work. Europe has had issues with poorly maintained and poorly established charging etiquette (not sure of the right term, but basically just blocking charging stations). Say if you're in a city and someone is just like f it and just parks at the charging station, then how long will you have to wait. If there's mass adoption, then you're talking about thousands of vehicles. How many charging stations are there? That 10 minute difference (probably a better analogy is 25 to 40 minutes to fully fill up) between filling up a tank vs charging starts to compound.

When CA says, it's summer or winter or smoke from wildfires is blocking the solar panels and the grid can't handle charging, how long before you think they get the power to cut off those stations?

In principle I completely agree, but in practice when poor policies are being enacted at local, state and federal levels, it's just a lot of faith to put in an area that really hasn't proven it's trustworthy in this specific sector.

BugoutJeep said:

The only issue with that is that, the chargers currently work. Europe has had issues with poorly maintained and poorly established charging etiquette (not sure of the right term, but basically just blocking charging stations). Say if you're in a city and someone is just like f it and just parks at the charging station, then how long will you have to wait. If there's mass adoption, then you're talking about thousands of vehicles. How many charging stations are there? That 10 minute difference (probably a better analogy is 25 to 40 minutes to fully fill up) between filling up a tank vs charging starts to compound.

When CA says, it's summer or winter or smoke from wildfires is blocking the solar panels and the grid can't handle charging, how long before you think they get the power to cut off those stations?

In principle I completely agree, but in practice when poor policies are being enacted at local, state and federal levels, it's just a lot of faith to put in an area that really hasn't proven it's trustworthy in this specific sector.

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Yeah, in all of my posts I’m just talking about current state of things. Not about a mass shift to EV. I would hope that if there is a mass shift that the network expands accordingly. A mass shift or a forced shift doesn’t seem wise. If we do shift, it should be driven naturally by people choosing that product because it meets their needs better. Like in our case. EV currently solves our problems. 10 years ago it wouldn’t have. Maybe in another 10 years it will meet more peoples needs, or maybe it’s just a fad. Time will tell.

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Yeah, in all of my posts I’m just talking about current state of things. Not about a mass shift to EV. I would hope that if there is a mass shift that the network expands accordingly. A mass shift or a forced shift doesn’t seem wise. If we do shift, it should be driven naturally by people choosing that product because it meets their needs better. Like in our case. EV currently solves our problems. 10 years ago it wouldn’t have. Maybe in another 10 years it will meet more peoples needs, or maybe it’s just a fad. Time will tell.

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Yeah I completely agree with you and if the wife had stayed at her old job, we were going to go EV for her, but we'd just take one of our trucks when going on long trips.

I really just don't understand CA, because I don't see them bracing their energy grid, besides creating less reliable energy and then blaming the weather when blackouts and brown outs occur on top of stopping people from running AC and charging vehicles.

If TX made this push and then added in additional power plants and reconstructed their grid, then I'd just be looking at the tech and look at my budget to see if any of this made sense for me. Any time an official states that they're adding solar or wind, I'm now very skeptical, because often that has come to mean that it is going to take away part of the budget for reliable energy sources and then not properly maintain those sources and then spend incredible amounts of money for energy they can't store and the price point is incredibly high and doesn't make sense financially, unless policies are put in place to increase the price of the other energy sources.

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You can select the average cost of specific vehicles but most Tesla models are too new to have numbers. The S is over $1k annual costs. On average Dodge $634, Ford $775, Chevy $649, Ram $858, Honda $428 and Toyota $441

It is interesting to follow the links, looks like most of the article I originally linked was from a Jalopnik article where they had this explaining the JD Power ranking
https://jalopnik.com/advisor/tesla-maintenance-cost/

"J.D. Power reported an average of 176 mechanical issues per 100 Tesla vehicles, compared to an industry average of 121 issues."

I still don't see how they could be that mechanically problematic. I'd have to find what they consider a mechanical problem, for all I know it could be plastic fitment on dash trim.

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This is why I hate these shit articles. That articles says 176 "mechanical" issues but if you look at the JDpower website, the data that is used says:

"the study covers 177 specific problems grouped into eight major vehicle categories: audio/communication/entertainment/navigation (ACEN); engine/transmission; exterior; interior; features/controls/displays (FCD); driving experience; heating, ventilation and air conditioning; and seats."

Doesn't sound like 176 "mechanical" problems to me. Also another fun fact about JDPower which doesn't make it the best metric. They use customer feedback to gather data about vehicle "problems". Here is how a problem is determined, if I tell JDPower my Jeep engine died after 1k miles, and my jeep seat is uncomfortable, they both are counted as an equal problem. So for all we know, half of those 176 issues could have been something along the lines of "The screen interface is complicated".


Found this nice tidbit in their Mexico version of their site:
https://mexico.jdpower.com/frequently-asked-questions

How does J.D. Power conduct its research?

J.D. Power surveys consumers and business customers by mail, telephone, and e-mail. We go to great lengths to make sure that these respondents are chosen at random and that they actually have experience with the product or company they are rating. For example, ratings for the Lexus IS come from people who actually own one. As a result, J.D. Power ratings are based entirely on consumer opinions and perceptions.

Apparition said:

That's interesting to think about because gas stations can get buy with fewer pumps because it doesn't take that long to fill up but a convenience store with chargers would likely need more chargers unless they can get the time down to gas tank fill equivalency.

I'd also imagine that people are more likely to go inside and eat food while charging so what could be 15 minute charge means 25 minutes sitting at the charger.

And I realize people do that now at gas stations. But I'd consider them assholes for blocking a pump if people are lined up to use them.

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Do you know how often people block spots to fill up diesel? People really don't understand how easy it would be drag their car away or just park on top of them, but we have a gas station next to work and it's common to see people park at the diesel pumps or do their scratch offs there. Even with multiple trucks waiting.

Apparition said:

That's interesting to think about because gas stations can get buy with fewer pumps because it doesn't take that long to fill up but a convenience store with chargers would likely need more chargers unless they can get the time down to gas tank fill equivalency.

I'd also imagine that people are more likely to go inside and eat food while charging so what could be 15 minute charge means 25 minutes sitting at the charger.

And I realize people do that now at gas stations. But I'd consider them assholes for blocking a pump if people are lined up to use them.

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The thing you have to remember is public charging is not for the same purpose as a gas station. You don’t fill up your car at home every single night with gas. If you did, I suspect you would only need a gas station a dozen times a year for your big trips. Same is true for EV. We’ve put 2000 miles on the Tesla already and have only used a public charger one time for a camping trip up in the mountains.

starkey480 said:

The thing you have to remember is public charging is not for the same purpose as a gas station. You don’t fill up your car at home every single night with gas. If you did, I suspect you would only need a gas station a dozen times a year for your big trips

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Yeah and also you're not going to go out of your way for a 100% charge unless you're actually travelling. I think typically you'd only use a public charger when you either messed and didn't get charged up ahead of time or you're on a trip.

Lithium is still up 225% over last year. So if you bought into the right mining stocks and companies, that's where you'll come out ahead.

If you look at the S&P 500 the big losers this year are retail, tech companies, TV & entertainment (Disney, Comcast, AT&T,CBS...), banks and investment houses, retail, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Ebay ..., Tesla.

The big winners have been oil companies and energy companies.

Apparition said:

Oh definitely. That's why I only fill mine at the semi lanes at truck stops.

You can even buy shirts about it

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Luckily the further rural you go the less the diesel pumps are used as parking spots. I get it when everything is full, but when it's the only diesel pump and there's plenty of parking and no one is at the other gas pumps,

I'm really not sure it should be illegal to hook up a chain to their vehicle and drag them away or simply push them out of the way or park on top of them. I think those are all perfectly acceptable ways to teach lessons on etiquette, especially since diesel is often the fuel for work and small business. In any case I feel the same way for those that need to charge. And if you're done with charging, you need to get out of the way.

I quickly have learned some etiquette after a few trips using boat ramps about what courtesy should look like. My wife thinks I'm an asshole and gets kinda pissed with me at times at the boat ramp, but there's a place for planning and playing and there's a place to get the boats in the water. If it's got multiple lanes, take up only 1 lane. I don't yell at others and I understand mistakes happen, but for some people it's their job and for most people it's just their time and I don't want to waste anyone's time and the less time I waste being courteous the more time I'm saving for drinking, I mean fishing....

InOmaha said:

Lithium is still up 225% over last year. So if you bought into the right mining stocks and companies, that's where you'll come out ahead.

If you look at the S&P 500 the big losers this year are retail, tech companies, TV & entertainment (Disney, Comcast, AT&T,CBS...), banks and investment houses, retail, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Ebay ..., Tesla.

The big winners have been oil companies and energy companies.

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It's weird how green policies give all the power and money to everyone, except the consumer.

Most do seem to want to go and take the money away, but once you're in the driver's seat, every dollar you take away you just charge the consumer. This is simply how business works. Businesses used to beg politicians to understand that they are forced to pass on every single expense, but now I think they're fine with it knowing they can set their margin and the more they spend the more they make with a profit. I keep seeing it more and more as shop labor has been rising and rising. I remember when there were a bunch of $50/hr shops, but now it's just approaching where only a few top companies can afford newer rates.

The nearest Tesla supercharger is 51 miles away.