Montstaliner issues, other than ugliness?

J.Pierce

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I'm honestly not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I'd like some facts on bedliner paint jobs.

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I know total bedliner paintjobs are hated by many.
But I'm still considering it.
My Jeep needs some body work and is solid brush scratches from bumper to bumper.
Brush is the reason I don't want to put a standard paint job on it again. I do not and will not waste my time waxing and buffing a vehicle that is not a show piece. And I plow through a lot of brush and tree limbs. Hell, I don't even wash it more than a couple times a year. I'm just not into detailing and screwing around with that stuff.

I have replacement body panel on hand, I planned to cut out any rust and weld in my new panels, I'm not covering over anything, this isn't a Band-Aide kinda mission here.
I'll be prepping as if I was doing a quality, "real" paint job.

I'd DA and prime everything with Magnapoxy 2K, and probably spray the Montaliner too.

Aesthetic reasons aside, and assuming proper prep and application, is there any physical reasons not to bedliner?
I've heard the "trapped moisture" arguments. But I'm assuming if you are not trying to coat over rust, I can't see any reason the Monstaliner would trap moisture, I look at it as just thick ugly paint. So if there ain't rust behind it, there ain't going to be water behind it, right? No different than smooth shiny sparkly paint.

Now I agree, a nice paint job looks way better than bedliner, but I'm looking at it as a durable utilitarian low maintenance coating.

I have zero intention of ever selling my Jeep.

So, besides the ugly factor, and the resale factor, does anybody have any reason not to Monstaliner my entire Jeep?

Repairs are one thing I was concerned about, it seems like it would be damn hard to blend in a body panel repair if it was ever needed, but I'm not sure.
 
Sounds like you are going through all the time and work anyways as if it was a good paint job...might as well use paint

I think a gloss white would be great color to hide scratches and if you ever wanted to do a repair and blend. Even a poor/mediocre paint job with actual automotive paint would look better than bedliner
 
Sounds like you are going through all the time and work anyways as if it was a good paint job...might as well use paint

I think a gloss white would be great color to hide scratches and if you ever wanted to do a repair and blend. Even a poor/mediocre paint job with actual automotive paint would look better than bedliner

Well, you do make a valid point, light paint colors do hide brush scratches better than dark colors.
 
Sounds like you don’t care either way.

No, I do.

It's just that most of the objections I've seen have been based on opinions and the ugly factor from people who have no firsthand experience. which I get.
To me the prep and application is the same either way, I never figured out the cost side, because that didn't matter to me.
I have my perceived value of durability with Monstaliner, but I'm not sure that's justified.
I'm willing to trade ugly for durability, but I'm not willing to have ugly that's no better long term than regular paint.

I'm just trying to sort out the bullshit from the facts either way before I go through all the work.
I don't have my mind made up either way yet, if I did, I wouldn't have any excuses to keep procrastinating on this project!
 
Disclosure, I have not done it myself, but have been following the Monsta vs Raptor debate for years with the thought of wanting to do the inside of my Jeep and or truck. Most of the haters don't like the orange peel look or they have had to peel off crap jobs and even a crappy install job is tough to get off in spots. I think the only real "anti" arguments that can be made are that Monsta is going to add a small bit of weight, some people pick ugly colors, and if you need to remove it for any reason, it is going to be a bugger. It is a seriously durable coating if done right. The folks on JeepForum that like it, LOVE it and over several years all say it looks brand new despite the beating the bush gives it. I say if you like the look just fine and trees and bushes are up close personal friends of your Jeep, then go for it. I think it is a solid move. WhenI get to that point I will be doing at least the inside of my Jeep with it.
 
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No, I do.

It's just that most of the objections I've seen have been based on opinions and the ugly factor from people who have no firsthand experience. which I get.
To me the prep and application is the same either way, I never figured out the cost side, because that didn't matter to me.
I have my perceived value of durability with Monstaliner, but I'm not sure that's justified.
I'm willing to trade ugly for durability, but I'm not willing to have ugly that's no better long term than regular paint.

I'm just trying to sort out the bullshit from the facts either way before I go through all the work.
I don't have my mind made up either way yet, if I did, I wouldn't have any excuses to keep procrastinating on this project!

When I see a monstalined rig I think it's covering something they don't want me to know about.

However, I do think that while prep might be the same for both, it is much easier to get monstaliner to look good than it is a glassy smooth glossy clear finish. I'd be inclined to say that the sanding needs to be finer for a glassy smooth glossy clear finish. There's just so much that goes on to get the paint to lay down just right without orange peel. I've had some good results. I just think (no experience) that laying down monstaliner would be easier and require less to get it to look really good. I also sometimes think they look really awesome and can stand up to trail abuse. My .02c

My good results on some corner armor (doing a whole Jeep would be a ginormous task for me): these armor pieces had Primer by ERA, Perfect Match by Duplicolor and 2K clear. EDIT: just noticed the first pic they are wet. That was the first bath they were getting. Still helpful I think. Reflection is pretty close compared to the door which is factory.

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You hit that you don’t care about resale since you’re never selling it, that’s my main concern with monstaliner as it will definitively take a hit.

I personally think paint looks better.
 
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When I see a monstalined rig I think it's covering something they don't want me to know about.

However, I do think that while prep might be the same for both, it is much easier to get monstaliner to look good than it is a glassy smooth glossy clear finish. I'd be inclined to say that the sanding needs to be finer for a glassy smooth glossy clear finish. There's just so much that goes on to get the paint to lay down just right without orange peel. I've had some good results. I just think (no experience) that laying down monstaliner would be easier and require less to get it to look really good. I also sometimes think they look really awesome and can stand up to trail abuse. My .02c

My good results on some corner armor (doing a whole Jeep would be a ginormous task for me): these armor pieces had Primer by ERA, Perfect Match by Duplicolor and 2K clear. EDIT: just noticed the first pic they are wet. That was the first bath they were getting. Still helpful I think. Reflection is pretty close compared to the door which is factory.

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When I see a monstalined rig I think it's covering something they don't want me to know about.
I won't argue with that. I can't say my thoughts are any different for most of them I see either.
When every fastener, door handle, antenna, and rubber trim piece has been coated you know instantly the amount of effort than when into prepping.
I've only ever seen one in real life that I thought he did a really nice job on. But it was parked in a parking lot, and I never saw the owner, so I never had a chance to talk with him about it.




I think you right about the prep work, while similar, paint will need more attention to detail.
Sanding scratches are not going to show up with Monstaliner, and orange peel, well........ that's what you're kinda shooting for with bedliner.
I guess bedliner does eliminate some of those concerns. I hadn't really thought about that.

I've done a couple complete paint jobs and a couple repairs, not with a spray booth. Just sketchy homeshop stuff.
So, another thing I just thought of, bugs, flies, moths and all the other shit that seems to be attracted to freshly laid down paint would be less of an issue with Monstaliner for sure.

Your armor did turn out nice!
 
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I won't argue with that. I can't say my thoughts are any different for most of them I see either.
When every fastener, door handle, antenna, and rubber trim piece has been coated you know instantly the amount of effort than when into prepping.
I've only ever seen one in real life that I thought he did a really nice job on. But it was parked in a parking lot, and I never saw the owner, so I never had a chance to talk with him about it.




I think you right about the prep work, while similar, paint will need more attention to detail.
Sanding scratches are not going to show up with Monstaliner, and orange peel, well........ that's what you're kinda shooting for with bedliner.
I guess bedliner does eliminate some of those concerns. I hadn't really thought about that.

I've done a couple complete paint jobs and a couple repairs, not with a spray booth. Just sketchy homeshop stuff.
So, another thing I just thought of, bugs, flies, moths and all the other shit that seems to be attracted to freshly laid down paint would be less of an issue with Monstaliner for sure.

Your armor did turn out nice!

Going through all the brush you go through, Monstaliner sounds like a win. It would be hard for me to put in all the work for a factory gloss like finish and then drive it through the brush!
 
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Going through all the brush you go through, Monstaliner sounds like a win. It would be hard for me to put in all the work for a factory gloss like finish and then drive it through the brush!

My Jeep is a little dusty and dirty right now so it harder to see, but this section of my hardtop is about what the rest of the Jeep looks like too. And there is a small branch hanging off my passager side rear view mirror as we speak!.....lol

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I think that pic alone sells the whole bed liner outer coat. And you can see the beating the paint has taken. To re-paint and put it right back through the same stuff that did this and expect a different result is the very definition of "insanity". I like the mantra of having a purpose behind every mod, well you have your declared and proven purpose right there. 2 cents given and spent ;-)
 
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If I was going to do it exterior I would look at something like
https://sprayez.com/product/rockhard-bedliners-starter-kit/Or https://www.qwikliner.com/
Not sure if that one is (aliphatic)polyurea or not. I have seen a couple monsterliners on Jeeps and it tends to peel when chiped or scratched.
Those plural component cartridges gets you the real deal without using plural component pumps or metering equipment. I have seen alot of bedliners done with those guns and it sets almost instantly. If you look around their use to be more competitive pricing on gun and material. Or you can go with a batch mix material and $100 Hopper gun "scorpion liner" use to sell to diy under Al's liner which is an aliphatic urethane, way better than monter. I put monster in my old truck yrs ago and it didn't last long.
 
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If I was going to do it exterior I would look at something like
[URL]https://sprayez.com/product/rockhard-bedliners-starter-kit/[/URL]
Or https://www.qwikliner.com/
Not sure if that one is (aliphatic)polyurea or not. I have seen a couple monsterliners on Jeeps and it tends to peel when chiped or scratched.
Those plural component cartridges gets you the real deal without using plural component pumps or metering equipment. I have seen alot of bedliners done with those guns and it sets almost instantly. If you look around their use to be more competitive pricing on gun and material. Or you can go with a batch mix material and $100 Hopper gun "scorpion liner" use to sell to diy under Al's liner which is an aliphatic urethane, way better than monter. I put monster in my old truck yrs ago and it didn't last long.

Interesting, I need to do some more reading, thanks.
 
I used to have an M416 trailer that I made a plywood insert (so it could be removed and the trailer used to haul cargo) with a roof top tent on it. I covered it with monstaliner, inside and out, after the plywood was screwed to the 1" metal frame work. The plywood rotted indicating the monstaliner did not keep the moisture out...... not a fan of their product, I followed the directions given by them when I called and asked if it would work in this particular application, pretty big fail in my opinion.....I will not be using it again.
 
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I used to have an M416 trailer that I made a plywood insert (so it could be removed and the trailer used to haul cargo) with a roof top tent on it. I covered it with monstaliner, inside and out, after the plywood was screwed to the 1" metal frame work. The plywood rotted indicating the monstaliner did not keep the moisture out...... not a fan of their product, I followed the directions given by them when I called and asked if it would work in this particular application, pretty big fail in my opinion.....I will not be using it again.

Did you notice any cracking or crazing of the Monstaliner on the plywood?

I covered it with monstaliner, inside and out, after the plywood was screwed to the 1" metal frame work.
Was there uncoated plywood contacting the metal frame then? Or was the plywood 100% coated on all sides and edges?

Did you Monstaliner the trailer too, or just the tent platform?

Sorry for all the questions, but failures definitely interest me at this point.