Remember this thread stated in reference the OP building a LJ not a TJ. A lower CG long arm suspension would likely be easier on a LJ.
Don't you see the similarities? IMO it adds to the impressiveness of Blaine's build due to the constraints of the TJ platform.
Here is what I am referencing to. See how flat the links are and how low the belly is. I would define the Bomber as a long arm low CG design.
P.S. At least get my name right, it is John not Bill, but you can address me as "Sir". Thanks
You are fixating on one aspect of the build ("flat links"). Stop doing that. Also, in what world is that a daily driven streetable vehicle? If you are really an engineer, then you understand what "bounding the problem" means.
@mrblaine .. after seeing the responses in this thread, I entirely understand why the GenRight Tracer exists. And you were right.
Great photo. It's like none of the detractors even saw the link I posted earlier.
The answer would depend on what where you are crawling, is your crawler a trailer queen and what is your budget.
Example would be the OP, his zip code indicated he was in New York, he had medical issues that had eliminated him driving on the street. His intended use was his daughter would drive him to an off-road area where they both enjoy a little off roading adventure. Building the LJ project was intended as therapy but not his reason for life.
The OP was interested in a long arm LCoG bolt on build. I would tell the OP, "sounds perfect for your needs and expectations" let me help you with some of the details. I would point him toward a good LA kit with some custom valved adjustable shocks a moderate lift, maybe 35" tires on beadlocks, a big brakes kit and some gearing change for a starting point.
What would you recommend for the OP?
The point is
Those are not Jeeps. You can't do this to a TJ. The frames are custom designed for massive up-travel at low ride heights. I wouldn't even call them LCOG because there is still going to be 7-8 inches of up-travel for a balanced 40/60 or 50/50 travel. Its not possible with a boxed ladder frame without massive modifications.
I'm very interested in these types of designs too, so I get your point. But looking at a bomber chasis and saying "thats a jeep" is like looking at this... and saying that bronco IFS works great rock crawling. These are custom designed machines that are built around the LCOG concept with maximum uptravel. They are very good at going fast.
The Bomber chassis isn't in any way a TJ. Specific enough?
Maybe you could be specific, a Bomber has 4 wheels and tires, a straight axles and a front engine. Both can be driven on the street and off road. Both have approximately the same wheel base. Both use basically the same suspensions.
You're right. Using that criteria, those are both almost the same as this 4wd dump truck with a solid front axle.
Maybe the fenderless/boulder line fenders are throwing people off too - it looks way more aggressive without fenders.
Now that moves the discussion forward.
Just following your lead.
but you can address me as "Sir". Thanks
Since we are being formal, what pronouns do you prefer?
I don't have a suggestion. I'm just trying to learn.
I'm aware of a general trend in longarms that sacrifices good geometry for packaging constraints...weirdness like lack of vertical separation at the frame end, discrepancies between upper and lower link length, the most common result being low antisquat and the light front end that comes along with that on steep climbs. Or, to get more VS the lower link mounts have to hang down and get stuck on things.
I'm also aware that an otherwise identical suspension geometry will have more AS on the longer wheelbase of an LJ. I'm interested in understanding whether your position is that the above mentioned sacrifices are a non-issue with the LJ, blown out of proportion to start with on the TJ, or something else. And when you talk about LCoG, what does that mean in terms of up and down travel, within the context of a TJ with shock mounts that are stock or at least don't intrude into the body?
Are you really this dense? Or are you just trying to rile people up because you like to disrupt discussions?
ps: I did not know that Dr Phlox owned a Jeep.