Well it rear steers in off cambers bumps and bunny hops in the whoops for starters. All things longer arms and lower pickup point would mitigate.
Well it rear steers in off cambers bumps and bunny hops in the whoops for starters. All things longer arms and lower pickup point would mitigate.
Longer and lower arms will fix that? Interesting, since that doesn't make any sense on multiple fronts.
Just give him a pat and bone so he quits barking and we adults can have civil discussion.
You've had a few days to do something that makes sense. Is that going to change?
Good attempt, but still insufficient.
Also .. dogs know and remember their own names
Along with the regurgitation of a certain someone who imagines rear steer as something that is impactful.
Rear steer is controlled by the angle of the lower control arms as viewed from above. The closer to parallel the more steer you will have. I think its around15 degrees the steer becomes near zero. CA length can exasperate the issue if there is one.
And rear steer really isn't an issue unless you really screw up the design and get more than 10-15 degrees +/-
I'm just gonna leave this here...
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do.
Bertrand Russell
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do.
Bertrand Russell
There are or were several mid arm suspensions out there. The geometry has never had anything to do with a kit using that length of arm.
It is more than a few. But, here is a very good approximation of what you're involved in and what you are trying to do.
It is the equivalent of two disparate positions, one that the earth is round and the other that it isn't round but more of a flat disc. After years and years of trying to explain to the flat earth folks that sorry, we have too many satellites, too many space shuttles and too much evidence to the contrary to entertain your position in a friendly and accepting manner. Now we know beyond a doubt that no matter how much evidence is presented to you, all you're gonna do is ignore anything that shows why your position is highly flawed. We know that you will only address the things that support your position and you will cherry pick out out context nuggets to try and prove your point. We have done this over and over and we have the script memorized. It is so predictable now that it ceases to be a challenge to have a teaching moment or try and find relatable ways to show and give examples that clearly prove that the earth is in fact pretty round and not even close to flat.
Now it just turns into sport to fuck with the flat earth fucks and then Joe comes along. Hey ya'll, maybe we can listen to them again and perhaps we can learn more about why the earth is round if we hear more of why they believe it is flat. Sorry Joe, we've been through this and they never say anything or admit to even beginning to accept that we have GPS and why that works. Yeah, but if we know why they believe the the earth is mostly flat, that will help us understand how to not fall off the edges, no? Well Joe, it really doesn't work that way since we are in no danger of falling off the edge since the earth really isn't flat. Yeah, but they might know something that will help us understand why the earth is round. Joe, we have GPS, we have all the evidence we need to know the earth is round, we don't need to hear crap to the contrary to know that. Yeah, but it is only a few of them saying that, what if they know something we don't know? Trust me Joe, we know what we need to know to figure out the earth isn't flat. But what if? There is no what if Joe, the fucking earth is round, stop it. But maybe. No Joe, there is no maybe. If you want to play with the earth is flat folks, there are lots of places out there you can do that. But I like it here. Yeah, we do too but here the earth is round and we need to keep it in that context because when you open the door to let in the flat earth fucks, you pretty soon run out of new pictures of dogs getting little pats on the head because really, after that, is there really much else you can do for them? Just give them a little pat on the head, say "whose a good boy?" now and then and hope they don't shit all over the carpet when you aren't looking.
Why is it always talk about rear steer which is an issue in the fewest of circumstances? Why not talk about roll steer which four inch lifted short arm TJs have in spades that actually contributes to poor handling? The Savvy Mid Arm (and the much maligned short arm correction brackets) already reduces it to a significant degree that is not going to improve much more by making the arms any longer.
And you also understand that to make it better at going faster in the whoops you want to lower its antisquat which in turn makes it worse at steep climbs? If you really look at the Savvy Mid Arm it gets you as close to neutral antisquat within the packaging confines of the TJ/LJ platform which is what you want for an all around trail rig.
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Do you recall all the old discussions about why everyone should ditch the stock Haltenberger linkage or inverted Y? The reason they used to prove their point was the continually changing toe in setting. I have asked 100's of folks to give me one example, just one of any undesirable attribute they can discern behind the wheel when they are driving that tells them they are experiencing toe change. No one ever has or actually can because like rear steer on trails, if no one ever brought it up or pointed out that it even exists, it is a non issue.
If you manage to get down to SoCal in the next month, I have a TJ here you could take for a test drive. I suspect that if you were able to accomplish that, it would easily change your mind to where you would start qualifying that part with at least something along the lines of most but not all.
Oddly, there is a lot of dissecting discussion about the Savvy mid-arm. For reasons unbeknownst to me, there always seems to be a very large memory block of where, how, and why that particular suspension came to be a product and why it even exists.
https://www.moderntiredealer.com/articles/28054-team-falken-scores-second-win-with-savvy-off-road
For those paying attention, there is something very unique that I find hilarious about Gerald's win at Glen Helen. I'll have to think of an appropriate prize to give away for anyone that knows what it is and the big hint is how he actually won.