We'll have to agree to disagree.
I can agree that you are wrong.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Not entirely, which is why antiswaybars and the track bars are more important in a TJ than in a YJ. Pretty damned self-evident IMHO and why antiswaybars are run in well-built rock crawling TJs.The links and track bar take care of all that directional movement.
Disagree without being an asshole about it.I can agree that you are wrong.
Disagree without being an asshole about it.
Alright, I can disagree that you are wrong.
I can agree that you are wrong.
Except in this case, Sri, Jerry is right.
Think of it this way - remove everything from a TJ except the spring. Control arms, track bar, etc., and you will agree that you can’t drive the rig. Because the coil springs alone can’t control the axle - or even keep it under the rig.
Leaf sprung vehicles only need the springs (and of course the attachment points and shackles) to operate.
That is the point Jerry is making - although sway bars do help on a leaf sprung vehicle exactly as they do on a coil sprung vehicle.
Except in this case, Sri, Jerry is right.
Think of it this way - remove everything from a TJ except the spring. Control arms, track bar, etc., and you will agree that you can’t drive the rig. Because the coil springs alone can’t control the axle - or even keep it under the rig.
Leaf sprung vehicles only need the springs (and of course the attachment points and shackles) to operate.
That is the point Jerry is making - although sway bars do help on a leaf sprung vehicle exactly as they do on a coil sprung vehicle.
and why antiswaybars are run in well-built rock crawling TJs.
"Unstable" has a very specific meaning, no?
The inability of coil springs just by themselves to locate the axles is not the same thing as "unstable in all directions".
"Unstable" has a very specific meaning, no?
The inability of coil springs just by themselves to locate the axles is not the same thing as "unstable in all directions".
Whatever it is that Jerry meant to say, and what he actually said are two very different things.
You happen to be in a very unique position. You have the means and opportunity to learn something that is very cool. With a proper tune and a bit of fiddling, you can dial in those DSC reservoirs to crank up the roll resistance enough with the low speed adjusters to easily drive on the street with some enthusiasm and nary an anti-roll bar in sight.That being said, as a "reformed" vehicle engineer, the only way I'd remove either the front or rear anti-roll bars from my LJ is if I relegate it 100% to trail duty, and that trail duty is relegated to slow speeds.
You happen to be in a very unique position. You have the means and opportunity to learn something that is very cool. With a proper tune and a bit of fiddling, you can dial in those DSC reservoirs to crank up the roll resistance enough with the low speed adjusters to easily drive on the street with some enthusiasm and nary an anti-roll bar in sight.
That can also be done with the high speed adjusters but the ride will get really firm to the point of discomfort. With the low speed adjusters tightened up, the small event harshness won't be mitigated as well and will become more evident, but as a learning tool, it is very much worth it to see just how good they are.
Thoughts on running without it? Anyone have an opinion?
Thanks