4.56 or 4.88 gears with NSG370 34 inch tires

I'm headed towards 5.13 with the 6 speed based on feedback here with 35s. The issue of course when I'm now ready to order is revolution is out of stock for hpd30 in 5.13

I had to get yukon for HPd30 in 5.13. Revolution couldn't give me a date said they were low priority and not in very high demand.

Should be less of an issue with Rubicon Dana 44 axles. Would probably think 5:13 if planning on being in hills all the time. If out in flat lands, I'd probably look at the 4.88
 
I had to get yukon for HPd30 in 5.13. Revolution couldn't give me a date said they were low priority and not in very high demand.

Should be less of an issue with Rubicon Dana 44 axles. Would probably think 5:13 if planning on being in hills all the time. If out in flat lands, I'd probably look at the 4.88

Thanks. I will see what polyperformance says next week about the order and go from there. Revolution couldn't give me a date either but they said they had a few on the wait list already.
 
Hi everybody, brand new forum member here, and new to being a forum member in general other than stalking around for good info and insight! Forgive me if this question or info has already been discussed… I had a question about gearing, taking into account transmission and tires, and was hoping for some expert advice. I’ve spent quite a bit of time looking at gear charts and reading information, but still I’m not 100% sure if my calculations are accurate. I recently got amazingly lucky and found a unicorn- bone stock, low mileage, one owner, ‘05 LJ Rubicon with NSG370 6 speed. I sold my other jeep to buy this one, which was a ‘04 TJ Rubicon with AX15 5 speed, 5.5” RE long arm kit, 35” tires, and 4.88 gears. Since I now have a blank slate, I’m planning and starting my new build. Going to go a little different direction with a goal of putting together a “sleeper” of a wheeler that will get me out or through some nasty spots, but be lower to ground and a little more driver friendly for my wife and future 16 year old. Also will be a little more convenient for putting around ranches and hunting the mountains. My plan for this jeep is a 3.5”-4” Long arm kit with true 34” (34.1”) tires. My question for for forum members is with the NSG370 6 speed and 34” tires, should I go with 4.56 or 4.88 gears? I’m having a heckuva time making up my mind. With my 04 Rubicon and higher geared AX15 5-speed / 4.88’s / 35’s, the gearing could’ve been a tad bit lower and I would’ve been happy… especially in first gear around town. I’m just really nervous to spend all the money and get 4.88’s, and be unhappy with it being way too low? I live in the mountains, a lot of 55-65 mph and tiny small towns, but do venture down the mountain and encounter some higher speeds at times. I think if I could get close to stock Rubicon 4.10 31” Tire and 6speed feel and drivability I would be happy. Sorry for the long winded novel, thanks and I really appreciate your insight!!!

Definitely 488. I have the 6-speed and I geared it at 456 for 33’s, which was great. Then I moved to 35’s. I need 488’s
 
If you re spending the money on re-gearing and deciding between 4.56 and 4.88 just make it worth while and go 4.88. 4.56 from 4.10 is only a 10% change.
 
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Note that the NSG370 is a bit different than the two 5-speed transmissions. It has a noticeably lower overdrive ratio (0.84) than the AX-15 or NV3550 (0.78 or 0.79). As such, the gearing recommendations are a little different as well, and generally about a single step different.

I would not recommend going past 4.88 for a couple reasons:
(1), with 4.88 and 34" nominal tires, you're already running about 3,000 RPM in 6th gear. Going much higher isn't going to net any significance.
(2), beyond 4.88, 4th gear becomes less useful at freeway speeds. With 4.88 and 34s, 4th gear is running about 4,500 RPM at 70 MPH. 4,500 happens to be very close to the peak horsepower RPM, and beyond that RPM, you actually lose power. You can upshift to 5th, but you still won't have as much power as you did in 4th.

This logic does not apply with the 5-speed, and in that case I would actually recommend 5.13. The 5-speeds both have a noticeably taller OD ratio that makes up the difference, and also may only have two gears that are effectively used on the freeway regardless, unlike the NSG370, which has three.

With a 5-speed, think of your gear options on the highway as:
5th gear - cruising gear
4th gear- hill and passing gear

But with a 6-speed, you have an additional option:
6th gear - cruising gear
5th gear - mild hill gear, slow passing gear
4th gear - steep hill and fast passing gear

With 5.13, you'd really start losing the usefulness of 4th in the 6-speed scenario, meaning passing and hill climbing actually becomes noticeably harder at freeway speeds. However, with the 5-speed, 3rd wasn't really an option in the first place, so you might as well plan on using 4th for hills and passing.

That said, I do recommend 4.88 over 4.56 in this scenario. That would be similar in OD performance to a 5-speed and 5.13 gears.

I agree with this. I have 4.88 and I'm glad I didn't do more.

I lucked in a free set of Yukon gears for my son's 2008 JK front and a super cheap 4.56 done Dana 44 rear. He's Army and will be driving down to Nashville (when he gets back from the Russian border in December) and he has 35" BFG's so I figure the travel as a DD 4.56 would be pretty good with the NSG.

My 05 TJ with the 4.88's I like a lot, I wouldn't want it steeper, would be worse on the highway, it's running top ish end now.
 
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Look at some vendors that sell them. When they were out of stocks of 5:13s I was able to get a set through poly performance. They shipped very quickly, like within a week, direct from revolution.

Thanks again for the recommendation. Polyperformance said they had the koyo bearing in 5.13 for the hpd30 and Dana 44 package in stock. I preferred the koyo bearings so it was a win! Basically just ordered a packed for an xj/yj with the 44 rear to get the package price with Dana 44 and hpd30.

They showed up today.

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Outstanding, make sure your new gears are lubed with nothing but a mineral/conventional gear lube, not a synthetic which causes the gears to run hotter. You want the gears to run as cool as possible during the critical break-in.
 
Outstanding, make sure your new gears are lubed with nothing but a mineral/conventional gear lube, not a synthetic which causes the gears to run hotter. You want the gears to run as cool as possible during the critical break-in.

Yes sir! They also make a big point about that on the first page of the documents supplied with ring gear for anyone else following along.
 
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Outstanding, make sure your new gears are lubed with nothing but a mineral/conventional gear lube, not a synthetic which causes the gears to run hotter. You want the gears to run as cool as possible during the critical break-in.

I'm not even going to get into the nonsense from the JeepForum on the CJ area that some guy went ballistic about this, and that Amsoil synthetic is better and on and on and on. I don't understand when people won't listen to real world experience, and talk oil studies?? UGh.
 
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I'm not even going to get into the nonsense from the JeepForum on the CJ area that some guy went ballistic about this, and that Amsoil synthetic is better and on and on and on. I don't understand when people won't listen to real world experience, and talk oil studies?? UGh.

It more has to do with the gear manufacturers recommendations. The amsoil crowd is a very proud one I'll just leave it at that.