Just a quick note on the Warn VR, Warn's budget entry level winch. I actually have two of these, one on my "other" 4x4 and the VR EVO on my TJ. These are basic units with wire rope and all. On my annual Veterans Day run with my kids we found a new trail that was a real challenge at least for us. My Rubi was locked up and was still struggling. Had to pull cable and it worked flawlessly, the wireless remote was very handy. First winch recovery for the TJ and I was very happy to have a Warn on the front bumper. My son's Roxer with open diffs did not fair as well. Anyway even a budget Warn is worth it!!