The decline of restaurants and eating out

When I was really into keto for a while I ate at Buffalo Wild Wings whenever I could. Traditional wings in wild sauce, celery w/ranch to help gag it down and an ice tea or diet soda.

When we get pizza, I usually get wings and just eat 1 slice to top it off. Not "no" carbs, but moderation.

with respect to BWW, I was in the "saucy nugget" (boneless) camp until just this moment when I saw that 10 boneless wings, before they even get sauced, start with 2090mg of sodium. My go to sauce, spicy garlic, adds another 2270 as the saltiest sauce on their menu...My blood pressure has never been an issue (100/66 at my last checkup) but I can FEEL the sodium after I eat there. Going with traditional would cut the mg sodium/g protein by a factor of 4 and the calorie/protein by 60%. :oops: I'm sold, I'll eat like an animal. My wife has always preferred watching me eat traditional wings more than boneless anyway. :unsure:
 
When we get pizza, I usually get wings and just eat 1 slice to top it off. Not "no" carbs, but moderation.

with respect to BWW, I was in the "saucy nugget" (boneless) camp until just this moment when I saw that 10 boneless wings, before they even get sauced, start with 2090mg of sodium. My go to sauce, spicy garlic, adds another 2270 as the saltiest sauce on their menu...My blood pressure has never been an issue (100/66 at my last checkup) but I can FEEL the sodium after I eat there. Going with traditional would cut the mg sodium/g protein by a factor of 4 and the calorie/protein by 60%. :oops: I'm sold, I'll eat like an animal. My wife has always preferred watching me eat traditional wings more than boneless anyway. :unsure:

If I get boneless I’ll get mango habanero because they are so sticky they need to be eaten with a fork. But as you noted boneless aren’t good for you in comparison to traditional.

If you keep dropping the carbs you’ll likely need to increase salt intake and water consumption.

And you’d also want to keep an eye on protein as your body can also convert protein into carbs.

Not saying you’d do keto but your body can do some interesting things if you did.
 
If I get boneless I’ll get mango habanero because they are so sticky they need to be eaten with a fork. But as you noted boneless aren’t good for you in comparison to traditional.

If you keep dropping the carbs you’ll likely need to increase salt intake and water consumption.

And you’d also want to keep an eye on protein as your body can also convert protein into carbs.

Not saying you’d do keto but your body can do some interesting things if you did.

Your body does convert protein into carbs , that's kinda the point , you will only eat so much protein before you're full and satisfied . Eating carbs you are really never satisfied and continue to snarf it down , you aren't really satisfied anytime. More , more , more .
 
I had an experience with boneless wings that totally turned me off. A coworker likes wings and took me to a popular wing chain restaurant. I ordered the boneless wings because I don’t like chicken skin. They had so much sodium I thought my heart was gonna explode.
 
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McDonald's reported slowing sales growth for its second quarter.

Some customers are looking elsewhere for cheap meals, from Burger King to gas stations.

It's the latest evidence that the burger wars are heating up.

Peter Lauwers used to swing by McDonald's to buy dinner for his family on busy weeknights.

A few years ago, though, the Michigan-based father, who runs a mobile app development company, noticed rising prices for Big Macs and Quarter Pounders. The chain also offered fewer deals he liked, such as McDonald's former buy one, get one for $1 deal on burgers. He even started keeping a spreadsheet to track price changes at his local McDonald's.

These days, Lauwers said, he and his family don't go as often.

"It's got to be a special thing," Lauwers said, adding that his family's McDonald's visits are "maybe a quarter of what we used to do."

Lauwers is among the diners looking for other places other than McDonald's to get their burger fix. The chain's most recent quarterly sales growth slowed, while rivals like Restaurant Brands International's Burger King are gaining momentum.

The shifting leaderboard comes as the economy has turned K-shaped in recent years, a situation where higher earners are spending consistently while lower earners are cutting back. That scenario has sent diners looking for value, and fast food chains that provide it are seeing the benefits.

McDonald's is still the largest fast-food chain by far, with systemwide sales of $139 billion last year. Burger King, meanwhile, had sales of $29 billion over the same period, and Wendy's reported $14 billion.

McDonald's CEO Chris Kempczinski said on an earnings call last week that the chain "simply didn't execute at the level we needed to," especially when it came to rolling out its latest value menu focused on items that cost under $3 each.

McDonald's declined to comment beyond the CEO's recent remarks.

The economy is also playing a role, said R.J. Hottovy, head of analytical research at location analytics firm Placer.ai. McDonald's customers skew lower-income than many other restaurant chains, Hottovy said, meaning that many have cut back their visits as gas prices have shot up and the lingering effects of inflation have hit their budgets.

"It is a tough background environment," he said, "particularly in the burger space."

All that is causing hungry Americans to wonder: Is there a better place to get a burger?
'I'd rather go to Burger King'

McDonald's stumble comes amid the rise of its historical rival Burger King, which has been investing heavily in its turnaround with restaurant revamps, technology, and value-oriented deals. In February, it projected spending $700 million on the improvements through the end of 2028.

Marketing has been part of that push, too. During the Oscars in March, Burger King ran multiple commercials admitting its mistakes, firing its King mascot, and touting an improved Whopper recipe.


Burger King has also benefited from the stumbles at Wendy's, which cut its dividend last week to support turnaround efforts. The Ohio-based chain reported that U.S. same-restaurant sales dropped 7% in the second quarter.

Meanwhile, Burger King's second-quarter US sales increased 8.5% — a faster clip than the 0.8% growth that McDonald's posted. Whopper sales have increased 20% since the chain unveiled the new version in February.


"We're selling a lot more full-priced whoppers, and it's a great value on a standalone basis," Sami Siddiqui, CFO of Restaurant Brands International, Burger King's parent company, said on the company's earnings call last week.

Burger King also saw a boost from its $5 Duos and $7 Trios menu, which allows customers to pick two- or three-item meals from offerings like a Whopper Jr. and chicken fries.

"Providing great value across the menu with the right mix is really the formula," Siddiqui said.

That strategy contrasted with McDonald's approach, which attracted customers for years with its dollar menu. Even after eliminating it in 2013, the chain used other promotions to draw in diners, from the buy one, get one for $1 deal or meals marketed with celebrities such as Travis Scott.

A recent Business Insider survey of McDonald's customers, which attracted almost 600 responses, shows that many are frustrated with the offerings now and are looking elsewhere for their next burger.

"What was a $6 lunch is now a $10 lunch," one respondent wrote, adding that they "skip Mickey's now" in favor of other options nearby, including Wendy's and Taco Bell.

"I'd rather go to Burger King," another wrote. "The prices are the same, more or less, but it tastes better, it's faster, and the burgers are bigger."
A neon sign with the Chili's restaurant logo


McDonald's isn't just competing with other fast-food chains these days.

There's Chili's, the sit-down restaurant chain that has turned around its financial results over the last two years. Part of its strategy: Offer burgers and other menu items that compete on ingredients and price with McDonald's, such as the Big QP Burger, which looks suspiciously like a Quarter Pounder.

"The fact that you even put Chili's as a rival to McDonald's — we would've never said that before," said Mike Perry, founder and chief creative officer at Tavern, an agency that works with restaurant and hospitality clients.

Many convenience stores, such as Sheetz, Wawa, and Buc-ee's, have also become more reputable for their fast food, Placer.ai's Hottovy said. "The stigma with some of these convenience store operators has gone by the wayside," he said.

Lauwers, the father in Michigan, said he's cooking more at home instead of going to McDonald's. Some nights, he said, he even makes his own homemade chicken nuggets using an air fryer and forms his own burger patties.

It doesn't save time, but it does save money, he said.

"It's a lot less, even with ground beef prices being kind of crazy," Lauwers said.

McDonald's has previously seen dips in visits followed by rebounds spurred by a new promotion that draws customers in again, Hottovy said.

"They almost always bounce back," he said.
 
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McDonald's reported slowing sales growth for its second quarter.

Some customers are looking elsewhere for cheap meals, from Burger King to gas stations.

It's the latest evidence that the burger wars are heating up.

Peter Lauwers used to swing by McDonald's to buy dinner for his family on busy weeknights.

A few years ago, though, the Michigan-based father, who runs a mobile app development company, noticed rising prices for Big Macs and Quarter Pounders. The chain also offered fewer deals he liked, such as McDonald's former buy one, get one for $1 deal on burgers. He even started keeping a spreadsheet to track price changes at his local McDonald's.

These days, Lauwers said, he and his family don't go as often.

"It's got to be a special thing," Lauwers said, adding that his family's McDonald's visits are "maybe a quarter of what we used to do."

Lauwers is among the diners looking for other places other than McDonald's to get their burger fix. The chain's most recent quarterly sales growth slowed, while rivals like Restaurant Brands International's Burger King are gaining momentum.

The shifting leaderboard comes as the economy has turned K-shaped in recent years, a situation where higher earners are spending consistently while lower earners are cutting back. That scenario has sent diners looking for value, and fast food chains that provide it are seeing the benefits.

McDonald's is still the largest fast-food chain by far, with systemwide sales of $139 billion last year. Burger King, meanwhile, had sales of $29 billion over the same period, and Wendy's reported $14 billion.

McDonald's CEO Chris Kempczinski said on an earnings call last week that the chain "simply didn't execute at the level we needed to," especially when it came to rolling out its latest value menu focused on items that cost under $3 each.

McDonald's declined to comment beyond the CEO's recent remarks.

The economy is also playing a role, said R.J. Hottovy, head of analytical research at location analytics firm Placer.ai. McDonald's customers skew lower-income than many other restaurant chains, Hottovy said, meaning that many have cut back their visits as gas prices have shot up and the lingering effects of inflation have hit their budgets.

"It is a tough background environment," he said, "particularly in the burger space."

All that is causing hungry Americans to wonder: Is there a better place to get a burger?
'I'd rather go to Burger King'

McDonald's stumble comes amid the rise of its historical rival Burger King, which has been investing heavily in its turnaround with restaurant revamps, technology, and value-oriented deals. In February, it projected spending $700 million on the improvements through the end of 2028.

Marketing has been part of that push, too. During the Oscars in March, Burger King ran multiple commercials admitting its mistakes, firing its King mascot, and touting an improved Whopper recipe.


Burger King has also benefited from the stumbles at Wendy's, which cut its dividend last week to support turnaround efforts. The Ohio-based chain reported that U.S. same-restaurant sales dropped 7% in the second quarter.

Meanwhile, Burger King's second-quarter US sales increased 8.5% — a faster clip than the 0.8% growth that McDonald's posted. Whopper sales have increased 20% since the chain unveiled the new version in February.


"We're selling a lot more full-priced whoppers, and it's a great value on a standalone basis," Sami Siddiqui, CFO of Restaurant Brands International, Burger King's parent company, said on the company's earnings call last week.

Burger King also saw a boost from its $5 Duos and $7 Trios menu, which allows customers to pick two- or three-item meals from offerings like a Whopper Jr. and chicken fries.

"Providing great value across the menu with the right mix is really the formula," Siddiqui said.

That strategy contrasted with McDonald's approach, which attracted customers for years with its dollar menu. Even after eliminating it in 2013, the chain used other promotions to draw in diners, from the buy one, get one for $1 deal or meals marketed with celebrities such as Travis Scott.

A recent Business Insider survey of McDonald's customers, which attracted almost 600 responses, shows that many are frustrated with the offerings now and are looking elsewhere for their next burger.

"What was a $6 lunch is now a $10 lunch," one respondent wrote, adding that they "skip Mickey's now" in favor of other options nearby, including Wendy's and Taco Bell.

"I'd rather go to Burger King," another wrote. "The prices are the same, more or less, but it tastes better, it's faster, and the burgers are bigger."
A neon sign with the Chili's restaurant logo


McDonald's isn't just competing with other fast-food chains these days.

There's Chili's, the sit-down restaurant chain that has turned around its financial results over the last two years. Part of its strategy: Offer burgers and other menu items that compete on ingredients and price with McDonald's, such as the Big QP Burger, which looks suspiciously like a Quarter Pounder.

"The fact that you even put Chili's as a rival to McDonald's — we would've never said that before," said Mike Perry, founder and chief creative officer at Tavern, an agency that works with restaurant and hospitality clients.

Many convenience stores, such as Sheetz, Wawa, and Buc-ee's, have also become more reputable for their fast food, Placer.ai's Hottovy said. "The stigma with some of these convenience store operators has gone by the wayside," he said.

Lauwers, the father in Michigan, said he's cooking more at home instead of going to McDonald's. Some nights, he said, he even makes his own homemade chicken nuggets using an air fryer and forms his own burger patties.

It doesn't save time, but it does save money, he said.

"It's a lot less, even with ground beef prices being kind of crazy," Lauwers said.

McDonald's has previously seen dips in visits followed by rebounds spurred by a new promotion that draws customers in again, Hottovy said.

"They almost always bounce back," he said.

Gas station Sushi for the win...... :cool: :cool: :cool:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/small...r-wars-heating-mcdonalds-loses-090701504.html

McDonald's reported slowing sales growth for its second quarter.

Some customers are looking elsewhere for cheap meals, from Burger King to gas stations.

It's the latest evidence that the burger wars are heating up.

Peter Lauwers used to swing by McDonald's to buy dinner for his family on busy weeknights.

A few years ago, though, the Michigan-based father, who runs a mobile app development company, noticed rising prices for Big Macs and Quarter Pounders. The chain also offered fewer deals he liked, such as McDonald's former buy one, get one for $1 deal on burgers. He even started keeping a spreadsheet to track price changes at his local McDonald's.

These days, Lauwers said, he and his family don't go as often.

"It's got to be a special thing," Lauwers said, adding that his family's McDonald's visits are "maybe a quarter of what we used to do."

Lauwers is among the diners looking for other places other than McDonald's to get their burger fix. The chain's most recent quarterly sales growth slowed, while rivals like Restaurant Brands International's Burger King are gaining momentum.

The shifting leaderboard comes as the economy has turned K-shaped in recent years, a situation where higher earners are spending consistently while lower earners are cutting back. That scenario has sent diners looking for value, and fast food chains that provide it are seeing the benefits.

McDonald's is still the largest fast-food chain by far, with systemwide sales of $139 billion last year. Burger King, meanwhile, had sales of $29 billion over the same period, and Wendy's reported $14 billion.

McDonald's CEO Chris Kempczinski said on an earnings call last week that the chain "simply didn't execute at the level we needed to," especially when it came to rolling out its latest value menu focused on items that cost under $3 each.

McDonald's declined to comment beyond the CEO's recent remarks.

The economy is also playing a role, said R.J. Hottovy, head of analytical research at location analytics firm Placer.ai. McDonald's customers skew lower-income than many other restaurant chains, Hottovy said, meaning that many have cut back their visits as gas prices have shot up and the lingering effects of inflation have hit their budgets.

"It is a tough background environment," he said, "particularly in the burger space."

All that is causing hungry Americans to wonder: Is there a better place to get a burger?
'I'd rather go to Burger King'

McDonald's stumble comes amid the rise of its historical rival Burger King, which has been investing heavily in its turnaround with restaurant revamps, technology, and value-oriented deals. In February, it projected spending $700 million on the improvements through the end of 2028.

Marketing has been part of that push, too. During the Oscars in March, Burger King ran multiple commercials admitting its mistakes, firing its King mascot, and touting an improved Whopper recipe.


Burger King has also benefited from the stumbles at Wendy's, which cut its dividend last week to support turnaround efforts. The Ohio-based chain reported that U.S. same-restaurant sales dropped 7% in the second quarter.

Meanwhile, Burger King's second-quarter US sales increased 8.5% — a faster clip than the 0.8% growth that McDonald's posted. Whopper sales have increased 20% since the chain unveiled the new version in February.


"We're selling a lot more full-priced whoppers, and it's a great value on a standalone basis," Sami Siddiqui, CFO of Restaurant Brands International, Burger King's parent company, said on the company's earnings call last week.

Burger King also saw a boost from its $5 Duos and $7 Trios menu, which allows customers to pick two- or three-item meals from offerings like a Whopper Jr. and chicken fries.

"Providing great value across the menu with the right mix is really the formula," Siddiqui said.

That strategy contrasted with McDonald's approach, which attracted customers for years with its dollar menu. Even after eliminating it in 2013, the chain used other promotions to draw in diners, from the buy one, get one for $1 deal or meals marketed with celebrities such as Travis Scott.

A recent Business Insider survey of McDonald's customers, which attracted almost 600 responses, shows that many are frustrated with the offerings now and are looking elsewhere for their next burger.

"What was a $6 lunch is now a $10 lunch," one respondent wrote, adding that they "skip Mickey's now" in favor of other options nearby, including Wendy's and Taco Bell.

"I'd rather go to Burger King," another wrote. "The prices are the same, more or less, but it tastes better, it's faster, and the burgers are bigger."
A neon sign with the Chili's restaurant logo


McDonald's isn't just competing with other fast-food chains these days.

There's Chili's, the sit-down restaurant chain that has turned around its financial results over the last two years. Part of its strategy: Offer burgers and other menu items that compete on ingredients and price with McDonald's, such as the Big QP Burger, which looks suspiciously like a Quarter Pounder.

"The fact that you even put Chili's as a rival to McDonald's — we would've never said that before," said Mike Perry, founder and chief creative officer at Tavern, an agency that works with restaurant and hospitality clients.

Many convenience stores, such as Sheetz, Wawa, and Buc-ee's, have also become more reputable for their fast food, Placer.ai's Hottovy said. "The stigma with some of these convenience store operators has gone by the wayside," he said.

Lauwers, the father in Michigan, said he's cooking more at home instead of going to McDonald's. Some nights, he said, he even makes his own homemade chicken nuggets using an air fryer and forms his own burger patties.

It doesn't save time, but it does save money, he said.

"It's a lot less, even with ground beef prices being kind of crazy," Lauwers said.

McDonald's has previously seen dips in visits followed by rebounds spurred by a new promotion that draws customers in again, Hottovy said.

"They almost always bounce back," he said.

I watched a video the other day which suggested that despite the drop in foot traffic at McDonalds their profits were still up due to higher prices, not sure how sustainable that will be though.

On a semi-related note I pass by a McDonalds to & from work, super early on my way in so there's no cars there but on my way home it's generally around 1pm and this is one of those two-drive-thru lane joints and even with that the cars are often stacked side by side wrapped around the building. I don't get it anymore than I get the cars wrapped around the Starbucks building on my way in at 6am, people enjoy overpaying for garbage apparently.
 
I watched a video the other day which suggested that despite the drop in foot traffic at McDonalds their profits were still up due to higher prices, not sure how sustainable that will be though.

On a semi-related note I pass by a McDonalds to & from work, super early on my way in so there's no cars there but on my way home it's generally around 1pm and this is one of those two-drive-thru lane joints and even with that the cars are often stacked side by side wrapped around the building. I don't get it anymore than I get the cars wrapped around the Starbucks building on my way in at 6am, people enjoy overpaying for garbage apparently.

When one suckles from the teat of mediocrity long enough, the difference between garbage (or not) is unremarkable. I don't think most people would know if something was truly of good quality anymore, they've never seen it so have no frame of reference. Sad to say.
 
I have a love/hate relationship with McD's. I love me a Big Mac (tm), but do think a Whopper (tm) is better. A "Dave's Double" (tm) at Wendy's is somewhere inbetween. These days I generally go to Wendy's more than McD's - because their "Frosty" is better than McD's shakes, which have always been mediocre. BK's shakes, and esp. Arby's shakes, beat McD's hands down. OTOH, nobody beats McD's freedom fries. Plus I got a $3 key fob from Wendy's that gives me a free Jr. Frosty - add that to their "large", and its about the right size!

The worst thing that ever happened to the fast food industry in general, and McD's in particular is that stupid "McCafe". It caused an industry-wide shrinkage of shakes, added meaningless marketing speak like "hand spun" (whatever the flock that means), and added whipped cream to some brands that I have to remember to tell them to hold off on. BK doesn't even have a large shake anymore, its a medium. Carl's Jr. used to have a very large shake - McCafe caused them to discontinue it. And worst of all is Denny's, you got 1 shake with another one in the tin. They no longer give you the tin.

And none of them have a malted shake, which I never understood.

McD's has traditionally had the fastest service BY FAR - but that is changing. McCafe slowed down the entire process for everyone, and BK has gotten better at timely service. There's one McD's that is conveniently located across the street from one of my dance classes that I won't set foot in, their service is so bad. I'll go to the one about 5 miles down the road.
 
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I haven't gone out to eat in ages. My hand tremors are to the point that I don't eat in public. When I eat at home I have to eat shirtless or change after I eat.

I don't know why I still belong to the Corvette Club, all they do is go out to eat .

Essential tremors??

I have them and am taking propranolol and it helps some......
 
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I don't eat fast food unless I'm stuck with no other option traveling. It amazes me the number of people that do.

I'll eat a peanut butter sandwich before drive through.

Probably why I'm considering retiring at 57.

I'm considered a "super saver", but really I'm just not a stupid spender.

PB and bourbon >> McDonalds.
 
I don't eat fast food unless I'm stuck with no other option traveling. It amazes me the number of people that do.

I'll eat a peanut butter sandwich before drive through.

Probably why I'm considering retiring at 57.

I'm considered a "super saver", but really I'm just not a stupid spender.

PB and bourbon >> McDonalds.
That's the age I retired at, you can do it! I don't spend money on stupid shit (for the most part) either - read: No PHOOOOOONNEs!! :D
 
I have a love/hate relationship with McD's. I love me a Big Mac (tm), but do think a Whopper (tm) is better. A "Dave's Double" (tm) at Wendy's is somewhere inbetween. These days I generally go to Wendy's more than McD's - because their "Frosty" is better than McD's shakes, which have always been mediocre. BK's shakes, and esp. Arby's shakes, beat McD's hands down. OTOH, nobody beats McD's freedom fries. Plus I got a $3 key fob from Wendy's that gives me a free Jr. Frosty - add that to their "large", and its about the right size!

The worst thing that ever happened to the fast food industry in general, and McD's in particular is that stupid "McCafe". It caused an industry-wide shrinkage of shakes, added meaningless marketing speak like "hand spun" (whatever the flock that means), and added whipped cream to some brands that I have to remember to tell them to hold off on. BK doesn't even have a large shake anymore, its a medium. Carl's Jr. used to have a very large shake - McCafe caused them to discontinue it. And worst of all is Denny's, you got 1 shake with another one in the tin. They no longer give you the tin.

And none of them have a malted shake, which I never understood.

McD's has traditionally had the fastest service BY FAR - but that is changing. McCafe slowed down the entire process for everyone, and BK has gotten better at timely service. There's one McD's that is conveniently located across the street from one of my dance classes that I won't set foot in, their service is so bad. I'll go to the one about 5 miles down the road.

Agree on the McCafé
 
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Back-in-da-day when we traveled a bit, I used to like stopping at McD's in the morning for a sausage biscuit and a cup of coffee. The only McD food I would eat was the breakfast menu. Wouldn't touch the rest of their stuff.

At some point, I figured either I was getting to be a crotchety old fart or McD's quality was going in the toilet. (Probably both.) The sausage biscuits just started to suck. Biscuits were dry, sausage was often overdone. Last time I went there for b'fast we were getting a shuttle ride to the airport in another city. It was about 5:00am and a nearby McD was the only thing open, so I walked over and got sausage biscuits and coffee for the three of us. Damn bill came to nearly $25 and the quality still left much to be desired.

I will go hungry next time.

Most of y'all know that I live in north-west Mexico, state of Sonora. We still eat out here on occasion, mostly street food (tacos, and the hot dogs that Sonora is famous for). There are a couple of cenadurías where I will grab a bowl of menudo or pozole, and my old lady will get some tostadas. Even there, prices have gone up. You can pay nearly one USD for a taco now, and I never thought see that. But in those places, you see the people fixing your food. They do it right there in front of you!

We hardly eat out on the rare occasions when we go stateside, and aside from the exorbitant prices, it's also because I don't trust the oftentimes trashy people working behind the counter at those places. There are people preparing food in those kitchens whom I would never let into my kitchen at home. If I would not let them prepare my food at home, can't see why I should eat something they throw together in a corporate restaurant.
 
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I don't eat fast food unless I'm stuck with no other option traveling. It amazes me the number of people that do.

I'll eat a peanut butter sandwich before drive through.

Probably why I'm considering retiring at 57.

I'm considered a "super saver", but really I'm just not a stupid spender.

PB and bourbon >> McDonalds.

Yeah, I have never done the drive-thru thing. Hate them. Won't eat in the car, either.

And anything and bourbon is better than McD. Hell, Vienna sausages and bourbon would be better than McD.
 
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