2 door JL with 35s and no lift

People buying the JL and just throwing on 35's aren't likely to worry about travel. Even stock I am sure they can handle the mall parking lot speed bumps.
 
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People buying the JL and just throwing on 35's aren't likely to worry about travel. Even stock I am sure they can handle the mall parking lot speed bumps.

The JL is a capable platform but all the relevant limiters we talk for TJs apply for them too. Throwing 35s just because they have a factory highline simply negates the purpose (unless it's just for looks).
 
The JL is a capable platform but all the relevant limiters we talk for TJs apply for them too. Throwing 35s just because they have a factory highline simply negates the purpose (unless it's just for looks).
So the AEV hiline with 35s stock that was designed by Dave H of American Expedition Vehicles designed the hiline fender kit for looks only and not function? Is this what we are going with?
 
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The JL is a capable platform but all the relevant limiters we talk for TJs apply for them too. Throwing 35s just because they have a factory highline simply negates the purpose (unless it's just for looks).

The largest tire that fits on a given stock suspension is the one that doesn't need bump stop extension. Many don't know that a stock TJ Rubicon with it's larger factory tires should have longer bump stops if the front sway bar is disconnected.

So the AEV hiline with 35s stock that was designed by Dave H of American Expedition Vehicles designed the hiline fender kit for looks only and not function? Is this what we are going with?

I think the only thing being contested is the level of function. The clearance gains do exist. By my criteria of maintaining stock travels as a minimum requirement, the AEV TJ kit should allow for one tire size larger for a given lift, or vice versa. 35s and no lift isn't happening without compromises. It's the same story with Metalcloak fenders.

I would apply apply the very same criteria to the JL. Cycling the suspension doesn't lie or exaggerate. It is purely informative.
 
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The largest tire that fits on a given stock suspension is the one that doesn't need bump stop extension. Many don't know that a stock TJ Rubicon with it's larger factory tires should have longer bump stops if the front sway bar is disconnected.

The JL guys need


I think the only thing being contested is the level of function. The clearance gains do exist. By my criteria of maintaining stock travels as a minimum requirement, the AEV TJ kit should allow for one tire size larger for a given lift, or vice versa. 35s and no lift isn't happening without compromises. It's the same story with Metalcloak fenders.

I would apply apply the very same criteria to the JL. Cycling the suspension doesn't lie or exaggerate. It is purely informative.
Well I’m just going off of what the owner and designer of the kit suggests. I think he knows what he is taking about and not guessing on what if scenarios. But maybe he is false advertising. That would be awful
 
The largest tire that fits on a given stock suspension is the one that doesn't need bump stop extension. Many don't know that a stock TJ Rubicon with it's larger factory tires should have longer bump stops if the front sway bar is disconnected.

The JL guys need


I think the only thing being contested is the level of function. The clearance gains do exist. By my criteria of maintaining stock travels as a minimum requirement, the AEV TJ kit should allow for one tire size larger for a given lift, or vice versa. 35s and no lift isn't happening without compromises. It's the same story with Metalcloak fenders.

I would apply apply the very same criteria to the JL. Cycling the suspension doesn't lie or exaggerate. It is purely informative.
Well I’m just going off of what the owner and designer of the kit suggests. I think he knows what he is taking about and not guessing on what if scenarios. But maybe he is false advertising. That would be awful
 
So the AEV hiline with 35s stock that was designed by Dave H of American Expedition Vehicles designed the hiline fender kit for looks only and not function? Is this what we are going with?

No, I did not say that.

They anticipated that people are going to go up tire sizes anyway and the highlines make it easy to do that without a lift. All I'm asking is whether a JLR so equipped with stock suspension and 35s+ highlines has lost some functionality. Has more ground clearance been gained at the cost of uptravel? Is that a good compromise?
 
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Well I’m just going off of what the owner and designer of the kit suggests. I think he knows what he is taking about and not guessing on what if scenarios. But maybe he is false advertising. That would be awful

It would be awful. How dare a marketing department!

The thing is that you (yes, you!) have the power, knowledge and ability to verify these claims. The owner/designer of a product rarely holds sacred knowledge that isn't subject to external review. Especially in the arena we are discussing. You may discover that a specific claim is entirely accurate within very specific set of criteria, but not so much outside that defined criteria.

I don't have access to an AEV kit, but I understand what it is and how it accomplishes what it does. I also have a decent grasp of what it doesn't do because I know what was required to make mine do what it does.

The point in all of this is that I don't know if an otherwise stock JLR can or can't fit a 35" tire without compromises to the suspension travel. What I do know is how to answer that question for myself. The answer is what it is, regardless of what some IG bro-dude says about his JL grocery getter. Once I know the answer, I can use that knowledge to inform the rest of the build.
 
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It would be awful. How dare a marketing department!

The thing is that you (yes, you!) have the power, knowledge and ability to verify these claims. The owner/designer of a product rarely holds sacred knowledge that isn't subject to external review. Especially in the arena we are discussing. You may discover that a specific claim is entirely accurate within very specific set of criteria, but not so much outside that defined criteria.

I don't have access to an AEV kit, but I understand what it is and how it accomplishes what it does. I also have a decent grasp of what it doesn't do because I know what was required to make mine do what it does.

The point in all of this is that I don't know if an otherwise stock JLR can or can't fit a 35" tire without compromises to the suspension travel. What I do know is how to answer that question for myself. The answer is what it is, regardless of what some IG bro-dude says about his JL grocery getter. Once I know the answer, I can use that knowledge to inform the rest of the build.
Lol. Agree to disagree. This won’t go anywhere.
 
No, I did not say that.

They anticipated that people are going to go up tire sizes anyway and the highlines make it easy to do that without a lift. All I'm asking is whether a JLR so equipped with stock suspension and 35s+ highlines has lost some functionality. Has more ground clearance been gained at the cost of uptravel? Is that a good compromise?
I would assume it would if your going up 2” in tire size? That’s what is being asked right? Will it eat the fender flares at full flex is what your after I assume? From what I’ve read it doesn’t. I don’t have one to prove or test with so take it with a grain of salt.
 
Lol. Agree to disagree. This won’t go anywhere.

Where is it supposed to go? Let's see some honest analysis of 35s and no lift on a JL or a TJ with an AEV highlines. It is what it is. We've been through this a couple times recently with another ongoing fender clearance debate.

The only difference here is that I am operating under doubt. If the claim is true, then it can be demonstrated. It's an interesting discussion once you take away the pressumptions of truth and remove the desire to put one brand or another on a pedestal. I like AEV, but I don't believe they are the pinnacle of what a TJ can be.
 
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I would assume it would if your going up 2” in tire size? That’s what is being asked right? Will it eat the fender flares at full flex is what your after I assume? From what I’ve read it doesn’t. I don’t have one to prove or test with so take it with a grain of salt.

Depends on how much bumpstop extension, if any, is needed. It won't eat the fender flares if bumpstops are set properly. But if you have to increase bumpstop, you would have lost uptravel. That what @jjvw and I are trying to find out.

This video tells me that 35s will need a small lift to function properly. 33s will be fine. Do you think otherwise?

 
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This video tells me that 35s will need a small lift to function properly. 33s will be fine. Do you think otherwise?

The video is anecdotal because he is merely performing a flex test rather than removing the coils and cycling the axles with a floor jack. But it does strongly suggests that 35s don't fully fit on an otherwise stock JLR. There is no criticism here. It is what it is. This is the type of information required for a build plan if the goal is to maintain stock functionality as a minimum requirement. ;)
 
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People on the JL forum say there is no rubbing with 35" on a Rubicon.

I think I did that right lol

How did they determine this?

People on the TJ forums will say 31, 32, 33s don't rub on an otherwise stock TJ Rubicon. People say incorrect things.

I've driven that same trail, btw. :)
 
People on the JL forum say there is no rubbing with 35" on a Rubicon.

I think I did that right lol

The LiteBrite YouTube channel is quite entertaining. They very likely extended their bumpstops before running a trail like Chinaman gulch. Kevin is a good driver.

Below text From 4 wheeler network (emphasis mine). There is no free lunch.

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2. No Lift Tire Size

The factory JL Rubicon tires are 285/70R17, which measure out to around a 33-inch tire. With no lift, the manufacturer says that 35s will fit for street use, but with the suspension fully articulated off-road there will be some tire rub on the inner wheelwells both front and rear. We think you could get away with bumping up the tire diameter one to two sizes to a 305/70R17 or 305/75R17 on the stock wheels with only minor inner fender contact at full suspension articulation. Of course, if you are willing to remove the plastic inner wheelwells and lower the bumpstops or live with significant tire rub off-road, you could surely fit a 35x12.50 or 315/70R17 on the stock Rubicon wheels.

3. Fitting 35x12.50 or 37x12.50 Tires

With the generous wheel openings, it seems natural that the Rubicon model should have 35-inch tires. In order to cleanly fit 35x12.50 or 315/70R17 tires both on- and off-road, a 2-inch lift kit could be implemented. However, this seems to leave the wheel openings looking empty. We think a 1-inch lift or 1-inch bumpstop extensions could be used to keep the tires out of the wheelwells. You might be able to retain the factory Rubicon wheels, but you’ll likely want wheels with around 1-inch less backspacing. Fitting 37-inch tires will require a 2-inch lift, bumpstop extensions, wheels with less backspacing or wheel spacers, and probably some inner fender trimming.
 
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What is irritating about the article is that if there is rubbing, any amount of lift won't solve the problem. You either need to remove the interference or add bump stop. If bump stop is added, then one good reason to add lift is to recover the amount of travel lost from the extended bump stops.

Instead, they are prolonging the wishy washy mysterious uncertainty that something may or may not work. This is simple tech that 4 Wheeler should understand after having been around for 40+ years.
 
What is irritating about the article is that if there is rubbing, any amount of lift won't solve the problem. You either need to remove the interference or add bump stop. If bump stop is added, then one good reason to add lift is to recover the amount of travel lost from the extended bump stops.

Instead, they are prolonging the wishy washy mysterious uncertainty that something may or may not work. This is simple tech that 4 Wheeler should understand after having been around for 40+ years.

Notice date of article (Feb 21, 2018). I'm going to guess they did not have a Rubicon to confirm what they were saying 100%. They know better I'd think. But these days .. who knows? :)