Is there a Currie / Savvy club here?

Bionic_Scorpion said:
I've only been on this site for about a year and have noticed the typical elitism you find in basicly every other hobby forum. For some people, their answer to every question is always the same regardless of the situation.

Someone asks about a lift kit for a purpose built rig because they want to get into serious rock crawling and the answer is to spend $2800 for a Currie lift because you should buy once, cry once.

The next guy comes along and asks about a lift kit for his daily driver because they want to wheel occasionally with their friends a couple weekends a year and the answer is to spend $2800 for a Currie lift because you should buy once, cry once.

The fact is, for some people, sure a Currie lift is the right answer, for others, a Zone Offroad kit is exactly what will serve them perfectly.

There are applications where a $1250 set of Savvy double adjustable control arms will work best with their setup and there are applications where a $190 set of Crown Automotive factory control arms is all they need.

I've learned a lot on this site and its a wealth of information but I've also been around long enough on different sites to know that you have to do your own research and sift through all the bullshit to come to the conclusion of what's best for you and your application.

Elitists, product snobs and brand name fan boys can do more to hurt new comers seeking information than to help them. Every person's application is different and information should be based on their needs. They shouldn't be given a canned response, thats not helping them at all.
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I'm trying to think back at all the times I've told someone to get the Savvy mid arm. ;)

Generally, this place is pretty good at explaining the whys and why nots of things. When you try to focus on tech and understanding, certain things are inherently going to rise to the top that might appear to be brand loyalty and elitism, when it isn't necessarily that. The more you can shift through the bullshit, the easier it is to see what is really going on.
 
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Fouledplugs said:
When it comes to axles, their axle centers are made in China. They used to cast them here in the USA, then something changed and they started sourcing from China...guess that makes them elitist. 😂

Why are they not cheaper than the Dynatracs and Cranes, which are cast in the USA?
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I thought we went over this and they have both, US cast and import cast. They are machined and finished here in both cases. I do know that unless it has changed recently, the VXR axles were limited by how many castings they could get. Only about 1 in 5 castings is good enough for a VXR. Do you know something different?

As to the why on the cost? The difference in price on a casting for a center section is maybe 50-60 bucks. The entire rest of the housing is done in house. Tubes cut to length and machined, housing ends machined, brackets spec'd out, lasered, bent and supplied to Currie, tubes are pressed in and secured at Currie.

I suspect you are unfamiliar with what it takes to make a rear end maybe?
 
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Chris said:
Of course this circles back to what we always end up talking about, that just because it's Chinese doesn't mean it's bad. "Made in the USA" certainly carries a lot of weight when you say it to yourself.
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The cast center section is but one small part of building an axle. It is machined here wherever it is cast and that doesn't make the axle made in China no matter how you look at it.
 
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Chris said:
Of course this circles back to what we always end up talking about, that just because it's Chinese doesn't mean it's bad. "Made in the USA" certainly carries a lot of weight when you say it to yourself.
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If we use the logic from you two, my brake kits are made in China because I can not source an onshore rotor and I'm not paying 250 bucks my cost for an OEM master for the Super 16 and 17" kits when the Dorman version is more than acceptable.

Doesn't matter that my casting engineer is in Montana, my foundry is in SoCal, and the machine shop is in Cerritos all of whom are responsible for the knuckles.
 
I think most people on this forum don't give a crap what lift, tires, etc. anybody runs. They come here for advice and get it.

The issue is when the same people come back complaining about how the cheaper lift they went with isn't performing the way the want it to. When people provide information to these people as to why a particular lift may not be performing well, they get butt hurt.

This forum is a great place to learn and make informed decisions, both for equipment and your pocketbook. Just don't complain to the members when your $299 lift broke when you came here asking what is the best lift.

It's an expensive hobby to do right but it's an even more expensive hobby to do wrong or on the cheap.
 
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hosejockey61 said:
The issue is when the same people come back complaining about how the cheaper lift they went with isn't performing the way the want it to. When people provide information to these people as to why a particular lift may not be performing well, they get butt hurt.
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I've got a bad case of that going on right now with a local. He posted up a set of the aluminum Poison Spyder front fenders. He also posted they were rare since they were discontinued.

Someone interested asked why they were no longer made with some bullshit speculation. I posted up that the reason is they have a minor easily corrected design flaw that causes the outer lip to crack. It is a welded joint that gets sanded to profile and sometimes the weld is very thin and they crack through the weld. All it takes is a small backer of flat bar stuck behind the joint and plug welded to stop the problem. PS discontinued the product to stop the warranty claims rather than fix the flaw. The issue is well known and documented on several forums, I know several sets that have the cracks.

He gets all butthurt and says I'm slamming him and his sale.
He gets all butthurt and says I screwed up the ones that are cracked because I installed them incorrectly.
He says his aren't cracked and since they aren't, the others shouldn't be either.

I bluntly refute his points and walk away.

Days later there is an air compressor and tank post. I explain it all again about how compressors and tanks work and he comes back in with more of his butthurt saying that there is a reason so many folks dislike me and referencing my "bad" behavior in his fender posts.

Hold on a second there fucktard. I didn't make the fenders, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth to the guy who asked about why they are no longer made. I explained how it is a minor easily prevented repair or fix. I know exactly how to install them. I've seen the posts on other forums about the cracking issues. And, I'm to be disliked for that? Yeah, you may want to take off your "I hate Blaine" glasses and examine your value system.
 
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Bionic_Scorpion said:
I've learned a lot on this site and its a wealth of information but I've also been around long enough on different sites to know that you have to do your own research and sift through all the bullshit to come to the conclusion of what's best for you and your application.
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This.... I bet there's at least 100 threads around here where someone signs up, asks the question everyone already answered 99 times before and then the OP never tops 10 posts after that. Research people..hahaha. At the end of the day, just make up your own mind (based on about an hour of research via the search box), know what you are buying and the strengths and weaknesses with said product, then go have fun!

(Oh and...it's important to know when someone is just messin with you when they respond with outlandishly stupid stuff....guilty)
 
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TheBoogieman said:
Nothing gets ruined. Our car washes haven't be closed down.
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I know you remember TJRon. TJRon was in Moab once. There was a stream crossing that was a bit higher than normal running full with that reddish silt. He crossed it. For the next year he was continually swapping out any part with a bearing because that silt got into everything.
 
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hosejockey61 said:
It's an expensive hobby to do right but it's an even more expensive hobby to do wrong or on the cheap.
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There's nothing but truth here. The bad continues when the cheap/wrong gets passed along to someone that doesn't know any better. Or, even worse, somebody gets hurt!
 
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