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Why would Texas spend the money on preparing for something no one thought would ever happen?

If the government had spent billions preparing for something like this three years ago. The same people bitching now would've bitched then.
Not a bad point. I was on the Panhandle of Florida awhile back & we had a storm come through that laid down ice, sleet, and a little over an inch of snow. It was a disaster. There were cars off the roads everywhere, the base I worked on was shut down for about 2 days, bridges were impassable because of ice... Lots of people were upset that the local government didn't have any deicing equipment because they had to abandon their cars & walk home, but at the same time would they have supported their tax dollars going to buy all that stuff just to sit around for decades collecting dust?
 
I'm disappointed with the weak winters, these temps are good news for me because maybe my area will actually get some real snow. Here's the data for Syracuse, one of the "snowiest cities" in the U.S. that's supposed to average 140 a year. I usually drive up north on 81 or 11 between Syracuse and Watertown (I might go tonight if it drops hard enough) when I want to cruise in the snow because you can expect 175-200 inches a year in that corridor. There's so many snow plows and of course incompetent drivers, so I don't slip out the door until midnight.

Onondaga County
Winter of 2017-2018 150 inches
Winter of 2018-2019 No more than 125 inches.
Winter of 2019-2020 No more than 100 inches.
Winter of 2020-2021 51 inches currently. This isn't going to jump past 100 at all unless these temps keep going into march.
I used to feel like you with snow totals here.
I was a lot younger and we would spend every spare moment on snowmobiles or building them or racing them or talking about them.. when winter was done we built and raced them on water for the summer months that was long time ago now.
now its just a pain in the ass to deal with all the snow everyday
plowing it clearing walks and roofs etc.. at multiple locations.
I would drive the 81 corridor you are talking about in my 18 wheeler all week
and everyday on weekends pulling sleds to the hill and loved it.
i haven't been on a sled in over 20 yrs at this point.. the jeep and atv's are my current addictions
and the thoughts of warmer places.. LOL
 
We had a plant trip because the waste water line froze. Then the rest of the plant froze.

It's designed to 20F, but we've spent millions to get that to 10F. The lowest recorded temperature at the site in its 23 years was one hour of 6F.

Yesterday the low was -1F for 6 hours and they haven't been above 10F for a week.

For reference, next week when they go back to normal winter temperatures, lows will be in mid to upper 40s and highs around 65F.

To duplicate the affects, my state would need highs around -50F and lows around -60 to -70F for a week. Since we've designed our systems for much lower temps like -20 to -30.

Take the normal yearly low temperature where you live and subtract 30 to 40 degrees from that, then think of the affects it would have in your area. Do you spend the extra money for better insulation, a heating system, etc, etc for that possible scenario?

I'm sure my house is not Alaska ready.
 
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Funny part to me is the folks bring electric cars into the conversation. Saying “If the gov wants us to have electric cars and the current infrastructure can’t even provide adequate power for us during the winter we’re all gonna die!”. Most people don’t realize having an electric car parked in your garage can function as a “back up battery” and power your whole house. Not saying we are ready for it yet or that the technology is ready for the majority of folks but it could help in situations like this. At least in theory.

I think the question is more like, if the infrastructure can't handle today with 2 million electric vehicles in the US how will it handle charging 200 million of them every day regardless of the weather? There's probably more electric cars in the south currently and their weather is generally better but if the gov pushes for more electric cars everywhere there will be far worse problems up north where it gets cold every year than what's happening in parts of Texas today.
 
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I used to feel like you with snow totals here.
I was a lot younger and we would spend every spare moment on snowmobiles or building them or racing them or talking about them.. when winter was done we built and raced them on water for the summer months that was long time ago now.
now its just a pain in the ass to deal with all the snow everyday
plowing it clearing walks and roofs etc.. at multiple locations.
I would drive the 81 corridor you are talking about in my 18 wheeler all week
and everyday on weekends pulling sleds to the hill and loved it.
i haven't been on a sled in over 20 yrs at this point.. the jeep and atv's are my current addictions
and the thoughts of warmer places.. LOL

I hear you on that it gets tough as you get older. My parents have back and knee problems and they have to plow a couple of properties and also there's always the chance of slipping on ice. If I slip on ice all that happens is I laugh it off. If it happens to an older person they could easily break something.

I have the most respect for the 18 wheelers. I'm not sure why but whenever I was caught in whiteout conditions they always seemed to be the fastest vehicles, plowing through at 45 while everyone else scampers around at 30. Maybe you can shed some light on this. 🤠

I never got into snowmobiling and even now I'm giving up on driving in the snow. This winter I reluctantly got my hands on a awd sedan (my weapon of choice for the snow) when it was already halfway through January. I could survive just fine with a rwd mustang. I was by Potsdam this last weekend, looked like the snowmobilers were having a good time riding along the trail on the side of route 11 from Potsdam to Gouverneur.
 
I think the question is more like, if the infrastructure can't handle today with 2 million electric vehicles in the US how will it handle charging 200 million of them every day regardless of the weather? There's probably more electric cars in the south currently and their weather is generally better but if the gov pushes for more electric cars everywhere there will be far worse problems up north where it gets cold every year than what's happening in parts of Texas today.
Yeah it’s obvious we need to develop the infrastructure with those vehicles in mind. Cart in front of the horse situation right now overall. Still I think if we envisions the cars as an additional storage method for emergencies that could help us. More to it than that for sure but our government will screw it all up no matter what. Buy a generator :)
 
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They are sort of right. Wind didn't cause it. However, wind and solar didn't help either. They had operational issues too, reduced output too, and have not generated enough to help much since. Today the wind didn't blow much. 4000 MW peaking at 7000 MW for one hour. It will likely average 15-25% availability.

Basically, you can't rely on it being there when you need it. The difference is one you can't rely on during record cold 100 year low temperatures and simultaneous record electrical loads, while solar and wind you can't rely on at any temperature or load.

I'm sure she missed the rest of that. Biden doesn't know what day it is, other than pudding.
 
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The statistics I saw were the windmills produce 42% of the energy. When they froze up it dropped to 8%. There were some other power plants that froze up. And the energy produced from solar arrays was virtually nonexistent with the snow on them.

A perfect storm (pun intended)!
 
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Electric cars in Maine isn't a good idea.

Electric anything just about above the 45th parallel is not a good idea.

They are sort of right. Wind didn't cause it. However, wind and solar didn't help either. They had operational issues too, reduced output too, and have not generated enough to help much since. Today the wind didn't blow much. 4000 MW peaking at 7000 MW for one hour. It will likely average 15-25% availability.

Basically, you can't rely on it being there when you need it. The difference is one you can't rely on during record cold 100 year low temperatures and simultaneous record electrical loads, while solar and wind you can't rely on at any temperature or load.

I'm sure she missed the rest of that. Biden doesn't know what day it is, other than pudding.

The sustainable energy types do not understand that without capacitance wind and solar will never be a suitable substitute for conventional power production as they will always need backup generation and that becomes too costly if you are not buying your fuel in sufficient quantities.
 
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The statistics I saw were the windmills produce 42% of the energy. When they froze up it dropped to 8%. There were some other power plants that froze up. And the energy produced from solar arrays was virtually nonexistent with the snow on them.

A perfect storm (pun intended)!

Wind doesn't produce 45% of the energy, wind can produce up to 45% of the energy depending on load for short durations.

These distinctions are always left out.

There is currently ~32,000 MW of wind installed in Texas. Texas demand last week jumped to 72,000+MW which is a high summer peak.

On 1/14/21 wind produced 22,893 at 7:27 am. The demand was only 50,379 MW at the same time. Ta da 45 percent. What they forget to mention is the wind changes throughout the day. They can't force it to be 45%.

In January the peak demand for electricity was 55,426 MW and at the peak demand, wind was 6,634 MW of that; or 12%.

In summer those percentages swing but are lower because demand is higher. So you get more like 22/72 and 7/72.

Since you can't force the wind to blow, anymore then solar can force the sun to be up at night, there's always a chance of coming up way short no matter how much you add. 100,000 MW of wind may give you 10,000 MW when you need 72,000 or might give you 80,000 MW when you need 30,000 MW. Its worse during the day when its numbers rise and fall quickly when your demand is constant.

Fossil fuels, nuclear, and even hydro, are stored energy that can be released on a set schedule.

The more we rely on large scale wind and solar, the less stable power will become. Due to the huge swings in output that occur whenever they occur, not whenever you need it or don't need it.
 
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