Man can you imagine a 392.
I think it is awesome, at the same time something midway between the 3.6 and that seems like it would be a good size- the 8 speed auto really does well owners have told me , I wonder if it gets mated to the 392.
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I think it is awesome, at the same time something midway between the 3.6 and that seems like it would be a good size- the 8 speed auto really does well owners have told me , I wonder if it gets mated to the 392.
Makes sense, Austrian engine builder AVL began development of the current 6.7 Ford diesel in 2006, that was at the tail end of the 6.0 debacle and just prior to the 6.4 era.
Still makes me wonder why Jeep execs have been reluctant to respond to the market cries for more power.
Good point. I've seen on the industrial side where it's like 3 years to go from accountants and sales and engineers to figure out even buying all the equipment to make the new body panels and brackets. In some cases facilities will buy new equipment and the accountants will ensure their profit buying all the necessary assembly and manufacturing items and often that's 3 years just for the components that aren't directly controlled by the OEM, like a bracket or something. The entire process is budgeted and agreed upon before the first production starts.
And that doesn't include the regulatory processes either that are necessary to even have approval from Big Brother if the vehicle is allowed to operate in the US.
The 392 gets the same upgraded 8 speed trans they put in the Eco. Its just a stronger version of the normal 8 speed auto. Which is a good thing.
There are exceptions but in general without some herculean effort, it doesn't get a whole bunch less time wise. The most notable exception I'm aware of is the Ford GT. It went from concept to production in a little over a year or 15 months. No one thought that was possible then and I doubt anyone does now.
You'll eat up more transmissions with an under powered engine than a properly powered engine. I kind of don't trust 8 speeds, because I'm not sure what other gearing you get besides searching for a gear than a 6 speed with a properly powered engine. Aren't most 6 speeds just a 4 speed with 2 ODs?
In any case flush the transmission fluid early and often. Don't trust the OEM, they want to sell you the new model and expensive services.
The more speeds the transmission has, the more transmissions we tend to go through, but we've done better once we get the engines with the MOST displacement and torque.
The ECO has a ton of power and a ton of lag to go with it. It's still fun to drive, but like any vehicle with a lot of turbo lag, expect to plan ahead. I wouldn't hold my breath for emissions delete and tuning. The major drawback we have seen with the ECO is underhood heat. From the relatively small sample size of ECO's we've encountered, they all struggle with intake temperatures going sky high (in the Arizona desert) Shortly afterward engine temp skyrockets too and the jeep goes into limp mode. We have been looking possible solutions. Functional hood vents, snorkels, etc.
There's likely more than a few of the Dodge Cummins crowd that would not agree with you on that.
Dodge should have figured out how to buy Allison in about 95 and stomp a mudhole in the rest of the diesel pick-up world from then til now. That and stop Ford from hiring all those Allison folks that built the trans behind the 6.0. The rest of the truck was crap but that was a jim dandy transmission.
Dodge is really good at providing a notoriously bad auto....And my work is cheap and the only diesel they will buy is the Cummins. I'm guessing that's an initial cost kind of thing though.There's likely more than a few of the Dodge Cummins crowd that would not agree with you on that.
Dodge should have figured out how to buy Allison in about 95 and stomp a mudhole in the rest of the diesel pick-up world from then til now. That and stop Ford from hiring all those Allison folks that built the trans behind the 6.0. The rest of the truck was crap but that was a jim dandy transmission.
Most of my comment is in regard for the gas trucks. It seems like the smaller the engine, the bigger the transmission and we went through some years of MAJOR and OFTEN transmission demolition.
The ED is more of a band aid in a Gladiator. The EPA tunes, bombs, and afterburners are often extremely hard on these engines and then there tends to be boost that's turned up too high to make up for all the other losses. I think a tune for torque/towing and shifting can help with this though by being more efficient once the hurdles are removed. It will likely require some separate transmission cooling as well, but I haven't worked with the ED, just diesels in general and tuning really makes a difference and the EPA is singularly focused. If the vehicle instantly burned up off the lot they wouldn't go measure the air quality near it.
The new stuff is very weird about heat though. It's not like the old tractor engines that are absolute beasts. But remember something like a 7.3 used to be just a bit over 200hp. Now my 2.8 can make 200hp with a tune.
Never mind that the atrocious post-holocaust Aztek styling migrated to Cadillac!
My issue with the 3.6 and even if they add the 392, I'm just not as interested in gas vehicles off-road and the effort to build my own diesel Gladiator is pretty much off the table. My wife won't appreciate my post apocalyptic looking style and vehicle feel of something like 4BT in fabricated YJ truck. I might get a big smile, but she won't. At least with the ED, I get something with the right amount of torque and I can try to smooth out the edges rather than tear the whole thing down and start from scratch.
She's also not a fan of the range for a gas truck. At the moment I have more time to fill up than I do fabricate and fix. There's no way to properly implement a diesel anymore into a new vehicle legally. The only reason they're likely used is for a slight boost in MPG ratings. I certainly wouldn't bring that headache on myself or someone I worked for to deal with an oppositional governmental agency.
All this talk about ED does not make me think of diesels. Seen too many stupid adds
I’ve owned a 2016 Rubicon 2-door. Even on 35s I never once felt like it needed more power, not once. It was spot on perfect with that Pentastar engine.
I'm not worried about power, but if you're towing and stuff you really want some low end torque. In a small wheelbase I see your point.
Next time you are in Sedona take one of my Rubicons out for a spin, the 8 speed was a game changer. The JLs are fast
People are funny Blaine, you say the neighbor is more than happy with basic, (pickup with a shell).
Yet he goes out and buys a 3 row 4Runner, ( likely $50,000.00 + ) and doesn't even look at the specs. !
No wonder we live in a world full of , "Cross overs ", and pickups with beds that in comparason make an El Camino look like
a heavy haul pit truck.
The new Gladiator is the perfect marketing product for folks who don't quite know what what they might need.
On the upside, the Aftermarket MFG.s are loving vehilcles like this!
If a TJ on 35"s needs bigger brakes, what does a Gladiator on 37"s need ? just sayin
The 2 door is at 285hp , the 4 door weighs 5000 lbs And get you right back to where you are with the TJ in horsepower to weight.
That's interesting! I haven't driven a automatic JL yet. I will say I quite liked the automatic transmission in my JK Rubicon. However, that's not saying much as almost anything is an improvement over the 42RLE and 4.0 combo.
No, I said his needs were basic when it came to some place to get out of the weather when he is fishing for a couple of days at the river. He bought the 4 Runner because the selection was very limited as in there is a waiting list for any that hit the lots, he did look at the specs but even when he was shown how much area the seats ate up, it didn't dawn on him what that meant. His Tacoma was on it's second engine, everything was wearing out and needing replacement and frankly he was as tired of asking me to help fix it as I was fixing it just to keep it going. He was terrified of it breaking down and never went more than 20 miles from his house in the last 3 years he owned it. He is retired on a fixed income and the proceeds from his father's estate were what allowed the purchase.People are funny Blaine, you say the neighbor is more than happy with basic, (pickup with a shell).
Yet he goes out and buys a 3 row 4Runner, ( likely $50,000.00 + ) and doesn't even look at the specs. !
No wonder we live in a world full of , "Cross overs ", and pickups with beds that in comparason make an El Camino look like
a heavy haul pit truck.
The new Gladiator is the perfect marketing product for folks who don't quite know what what they might need.
On the upside, the Aftermarket MFG.s are loving vehilcles like this!
If a TJ on 35"s needs bigger brakes, what does a Gladiator on 37"s need ? just sayin
Doesn't change that I believe he has the wrong vehicle. But, he now travels several hours to fish with no heartburn.