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2001 TJ head vs. heart: fix her up or let her go?

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Hi all!



Though this is my first post, I’ve come to this

site countless times over the years for advice and how to’s; it’s been an invaluable resource to me. I figured what better place to seek pragmatic advice over the fate of my beloved TJ.



Currently, I’m at a tipping point with it. It was my daily driver until from 2012 till 2020 and now has taken on the roll of a weekend toy/when I don’t feel like shoveling the driveway. I do mild off-roading with it, but don’t ever plan to rock crawl or anything too over the top with it. Just Some mild mud to get to fishing spots or remote places on my property. As she sits, shes gotten me anywhere I’ve ever needed her to.



Recently, I’ve been looking to bring her back to her former glory, make it look nice and upgrade her a bit. However when went out to do my spring detail this year, I grew concerned about some newly forming rust. Now I’m wondering if it’s worth building it at all.



My plan was a mild lift, winch, regear, and maybe a super 35 + lockers. I like the way it looks and sits now, just want to make sure and want to preserve that look more or less. I just want to make sure that before I start throwing parts at it, I’m making a practical decision.



So! It’s an 2001 Sport 4.0 5spd with 160k on it and Mechanically it runs strong. It has been extremely well cared for over the ten years I’ve had it, and I’ve I’ve always put quality parts into her, however, I’m starting to run into rust issues and wondering if it’s time to start over.



I initially bought the Jeep out of Virginia, completely rust free in 2012 with 100k on it. Though I’ve undercoated it every year (krown) and have been meticulous about washing and waxing it, the Buffalo winters are finally taking their toll.


So here’s the issues:

Fenders need to be replaced and I’m starting to get rust bubbles at the driver side rear flare. Took it to very good local body shop for a quote and was told they would have to essentially have to repaint the whole Jeep to the tune of 7k. They advised against it.

Because I love this thing, and always assumed I’d have it forever, I was going to just take the plunge. As it’s weekend toy, I put very few miles on it and have had a lot of the major work done in the past five years, so the mileage didn’t initially concern me.
However now I’m growing concerned about the frame.

Here’s my conundrum: Should I keep this thing that I love and already know what has been done to it, or try and find a clean rubicon and start from scratch (while risk inheriting someone else’s problems)?

I figure it would cost 10k-ish to get this where I want it to be. To start over with a different TJ would be dramatically more, even after getting a fair price for this one. And again, who knows what issues another 20ish year old Jeep might be hiding.



The bad:
  • The Jeep has 160k on it
  • Not sure how bad the frame actually is; I noticed some internal flaking (which is new) but nothing crazy (pics below)
  • Needs driver/passenger floor pans (drain plug holes rusted through)
  • Will need new tires soon
  • Needs a regear (5th is practically useless)
  • considering lockers + super 35 (starting with a rubi saves me this hassle, but I can get by without these mods)
  • Suspension is still the original from the factory and is tired
  • Some interior trim needs to be replaced


The good:

  • Motor runs great
  • new clutch/synchros 10k ago
  • New transfer case 5k ago
  • New pcm
  • All wiring solid or replaced (done while trying to solve pcm issue)
  • New fuel pump/gas tank skid plate
  • Never modified
  • No accidents
  • Daily driver keeps mileage off Jeep (maybe put 3-5k a year on it)
  • Love the color (silverstone metallic)
  • Want to be buried in this thing one day


Maybe I’m overthinking this, but I just need an impartial opinion: build it, or let her go. What do you recommend?



Thank you!



tldr: love my Jeep, but concerned about putting the money into it. Is she too far gone or should I take the plunge?

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I’ll try to be careful how I answer these posted because it’s not my emotion- And I get as attached to these things as anyone.

Also I’m from the south so I’m not going to pretend to be a good judge of rust but I don’t see horrible damage or cracked areas or control arm mounts about to fall off but I could be wrong-

If you want to fight the rust and go to work on it you can probably turn things around and get a lot of life left out of it- from a practical standpoint I would say you might go ahead and find one with far less rust or no rust and start over and get as much out of that one as you can- while its sellable.

And I will tell you if you do that you’ll get over the change and quickly grow to love the new one that replaces that one.

That’s about all I can say and I know it’s not really an answer but I think at the end of the day I’m saying you’ll probably be fine either way- If you keep it I’m not gonna say it’s the right or wrong decision but I’m saying you’re gonna have to make the decision right and fight the rust big-time.

Good luck whatever you do and thanks for being on the forum.
 
Well I am in CA so we don’t really have a rust issue so like above I’m no expert. That said the rust doesn’t look too bad to me. have you tried poking at it to see if the frame is still solid? If so may be able to sand off the rust and apply new coating. I’m sure it will be a lot of work. I’ve seen people post a lot worst at Jeep they are considering buying. Overall looks like a nice Jeep.
 
Hi all!



Though this is my first post, I’ve come to this

site countless times over the years for advice and how to’s; it’s been an invaluable resource to me. I figured what better place to seek pragmatic advice over the fate of my beloved TJ.



Currently, I’m at a tipping point with it. It was my daily driver until from 2012 till 2020 and now has taken on the roll of a weekend toy/when I don’t feel like shoveling the driveway. I do mild off-roading with it, but don’t ever plan to rock crawl or anything too over the top with it. Just Some mild mud to get to fishing spots or remote places on my property. As she sits, shes gotten me anywhere I’ve ever needed her to.



Recently, I’ve been looking to bring her back to her former glory, make it look nice and upgrade her a bit. However when went out to do my spring detail this year, I grew concerned about some newly forming rust. Now I’m wondering if it’s worth building it at all.



My plan was a mild lift, winch, regear, and maybe a super 35 + lockers. I like the way it looks and sits now, just want to make sure and want to preserve that look more or less. I just want to make sure that before I start throwing parts at it, I’m making a practical decision.



So! It’s an 2001 Sport 4.0 5spd with 160k on it and Mechanically it runs strong. It has been extremely well cared for over the ten years I’ve had it, and I’ve I’ve always put quality parts into her, however, I’m starting to run into rust issues and wondering if it’s time to start over.



I initially bought the Jeep out of Virginia, completely rust free in 2012 with 100k on it. Though I’ve undercoated it every year (krown) and have been meticulous about washing and waxing it, the Buffalo winters are finally taking their toll.


So here’s the issues:

Fenders need to be replaced and I’m starting to get rust bubbles at the driver side rear flare. Took it to very good local body shop for a quote and was told they would have to essentially have to repaint the whole Jeep to the tune of 7k. They advised against it.

Because I love this thing, and always assumed I’d have it forever, I was going to just take the plunge. As it’s weekend toy, I put very few miles on it and have had a lot of the major work done in the past five years, so the mileage didn’t initially concern me.
However now I’m growing concerned about the frame.

Here’s my conundrum: Should I keep this thing that I love and already know what has been done to it, or try and find a clean rubicon and start from scratch (while risk inheriting someone else’s problems)?

I figure it would cost 10k-ish to get this where I want it to be. To start over with a different TJ would be dramatically more, even after getting a fair price for this one. And again, who knows what issues another 20ish year old Jeep might be hiding.



The bad:
  • The Jeep has 160k on it
  • Not sure how bad the frame actually is; I noticed some internal flaking (which is new) but nothing crazy (pics below)
  • Needs driver/passenger floor pans (drain plug holes rusted through)
  • Will need new tires soon
  • Needs a regear (5th is practically useless)
  • considering lockers + super 35 (starting with a rubi saves me this hassle, but I can get by without these mods)
  • Suspension is still the original from the factory and is tired
  • Some interior trim needs to be replaced


The good:

  • Motor runs great
  • new clutch/synchros 10k ago
  • New transfer case 5k ago
  • New pcm
  • All wiring solid or replaced (done while trying to solve pcm issue)
  • New fuel pump/gas tank skid plate
  • Never modified
  • No accidents
  • Daily driver keeps mileage off Jeep (maybe put 3-5k a year on it)
  • Love the color (silverstone metallic)
  • Want to be buried in this thing one day


Maybe I’m overthinking this, but I just need an impartial opinion: build it, or let her go. What do you recommend?



Thank you!



tldr: love my Jeep, but concerned about putting the money into it. Is she too far gone or should I take the plunge?

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Frame looks good,I would drop the skid and hammer test there,if it’s solid I would do drain holes,do inside of fram(I mad a slinger tool out of a drain snake)and install new fenders and maybe sliders to cover the bubbles?
 
Don’t panic and have some patience with with you know has been done to it. If it were your daily driver I would be more concerned if I were you. Being a weekend toy…I would drive it until it won’t anymore and then move on. They are more resilient than you think.
 
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It doesn't look too bad to me. I would wire wheel the rust, treat it, rinse it, dry it, and undercoat spray it. You could probably do that yourself in a weekend. That tiny bit of body rust is nothing, IMHO. Why paint the whole Jeep for that one corner of the fender?
 
The salts added during snow and ice removal are terrible on the frame and other metal parts.
You have identified the drivers and passenger side drain plug holes are rusted through.
I would do a thorough in depth inspection of the inside of the frame rails paying special attention to the cross member bolt area and the dog leg area over the rear differential.
 
For being a DD from 2012 to 2020 in the rust belt I'll say you did a GREAT job of keeping it from rusting too death.

The biggest problem I see on that one is what looks like a bead of orange caulk that the salt god has run between your frame and skid plate.

It may be so much that the bolts holding it in place will just spin instead of actually loosen with a wrench but it's still better than the skid plate hanging down on it's own with the bolts still attached to it.

You may need some replacement frame parts or maybe just a steel plate to replace the bottom edge of the frame to hold the rivnuts in place.

It's a Jeep you know and are somewhat attached to so I'd say fix it and keep it, you never know who fixed a different one or what kind of parts were used on it.
 
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For being a DD from 2012 to 2020 in the rust belt I'll say you did a GREAT job of keeping it from rusting too death.

The biggest problem I see on that one is what looks like a bead of orange caulk that the salt god has run between your frame and skid plate.

It may be so much that the bolts holding it in place will just spin instead of actually loosen with a wrench but it's still better than the skid plate hanging down on it's own with the bolts still attached to it.

You may need some replacement frame parts or maybe just a steel plate to replace the bottom edge of the frame to hold the rivnuts in place.

It's a Jeep you know and are somewhat attached to so I'd say fix it and keep it, you never know who fixed a different one or what kind of parts were used on it.

If that's truly the only issue on the frame, which the rest of it looks decent, it's a fairly easy fix for anyone that can weld. It surely does look like OP did a great job keeping it pretty clean for 8 years of daily driving.
 
If it were me from what I see I'd either:

Sell it and find a rust free one (it's going to take quite a bit of time to find one in your area or travel).

Or, and I think it might not be too bad but you need to thoroughly inspect the frame and body.

I would probably:

-Thoroughly check inside frame and look over body mounting points
-Remove skid plate and evaluate/patch
-Drill frame for drain holes if you haven't and flush thoroughly
-Eastwood internal frame paint
-One spot of body rust, sand and paint it (I know that doesn't really stop it but if you Krown it again it shouldn't spread like crazy - I have a spot of fender rust that really hasn't spread in 7 years).
-It looks like fenders may not match the rest of body indicating replacement already? If that's the case - find an OEM used clean set and have painted or patch current and paint
-Patch floors
-There is a thread here for an economical 2-2.5" lift - think sub $800
-You can always buy a welder and paint gun yourself and save.

The reality is you can probably make this Jeep last you for much less than you stated but it's not going to be mint. I don't see putting a $7k paint job on it.


For motivation: I dealt with this. New frame, floor patch, new torque tubes, patched rockers. It can be done if you're willing.
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Other than the floor pan issue (which we didn't see photos of to determine how bad it is), the bad list isn't really bad. 160,000 miles is nothing on a 4.0 Most of the rest are typical maintenance on a 22 year old vehicle.
 
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Agree with most of the advice above on dealing with the frame rust. Definitely don’t drop $7k on a fender/repaint. Fenders are cheap and easy to install. Any local auto paint supply store can match the current color and make you a pint. 2K clear it, good to go for under $500
 
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That's a good looking Jeep! The rust is not that bad. I would wire brush the rust, clean it all very good and spray every part of the frame, mounts, everything with POR 15. They sell POR 15 in rattle can form, just did this to my frame and it looks brand new, very durable.

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If its PAID FOR….there is no reason to sell it

You have a forboding future with vehicles costs, Bidenflation, and all the fukkery inbound due to Globalists plan to force EV on America. Thats the political reasons why you should keep it.

Now for the logical assessments, is it PAID FOR?? 😂
You see where Im going with this right??

I just bought a 250K Wrangler 4.0L 5 speed from a contractor overseas I know. Hes not coming back, and I dont even need it. Not perfect, but also not shot to crap either. I know how to swap engines and have access to a close friends shop lifts also

I have to create a build thread but basically what it will cost me to refurb this Wrangler is NOTHING vs what a new one will cost. I have too many vehicles and my 2 boys arent even old enough to drive yet. 🤣

Its a project for my 9 year old. So my vote is I would put the $$$ into it and refurb what is necessary. That minimal amount of rust is nuthin, you have sooooo many better options to clean that up

Get it on a lift, get some grinders and wire wheels, get all rhe visible rust removed, and seal coat the undercarriage with a thick coat of Rustoleum Pro which is oil based and great for this. Use fluid film inside every panel, and every orifice of the frame

I am also gutting the susoension as its weathered and rides like a sloppy dump truck. I will have a thread to inquire about peoples suggestions soon too, and mine isnt for crazy off roading. Just 31-32” tires and road comfort for a 16 year old

End of the day, if YOU can do the work, the cost is not that bad. If you have to farm out the work, thats where it gets expensive
 
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