2004 TJ w/auto - Strange No Start Issue

cr0sh

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All - this evening after work I had a strange "no start" happen to me. I went out as usual, hopped in, and tried to turn 'er over and - no start.

BTW - I checked these threads, and they don't seem to cover what I experienced:

https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/starting-issues-98-tj.6064/

https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/jeep-wrangler-tj-wont-start-read-this.1201/

My dashboard lit up properly, my A/C blower came on - everything looked normal - except the starter wasn't cranking. I was sitting there contemplating my options, because my first thought was maybe the battery somehow lost its charge (I've noticed how easy it is to leave the TJ in accessory mode, and I try not to do that, and I was pretty sure that wasn't the case this morning - but, well, you know). I had jumper cables, but nobody was around to give me a jump.

Just then a coworker popped out the door, and asked if I needed help - I explained the situation to him, and we got to work - so to speak. We first tried jump starting the TJ, but every time, no starter turning over. I looked at the fuses, swapped the 40A one around with another, same deal. Tried the same with the starter relay, same deal. I had my coworker try starting it while I listened to the relay. I could hear a relay click, but I couldn't hear anything from the starter.

I had him bump the horn (I swapped the horn and starter relay because they seemed like the same part - same terminals, same numbers) - it worked - so I knew the relay wasn't the issue. And we were pretty certain it wasn't a fuse, because the swap worked and the relay was clicking.

I had him turn on the lights and try cranking it over - the lights didn't dim one iota. So the starter wasn't even being activated in any way (I'd expect the lights to flicker or dim slightly - not sure if this is true). Couldn't hear a solenoid on the starter click or anything else. So I figured I would make sure that the relay I was hearing was the starter relay. I put my finger on it, and had my coworker try starting again.

Now - here's where it gets strange. I hear some movement, like levers being moved around. Then he tries it, and I feel a click - but nothing. Some more movement of "levers" - then he tried it again, I feel the click - and she starts right up and runs fine!

I ask him what he did - and told him what I did: He said he took off the parking brake (I always set it - a habit of mine in all my vehicles) and also pulled the shift levers back and forth (both the regular shift lever for the transmission, and for the 4WD).

As far as I can recall, I did not do anything different than what I normally do when I start my Jeep. I've had it for a couple of months now, it isn't anything too new to me. When I park, I put it in park, and set the parking brake. When I get in, I put my foot on the brake, crank it over, then release the parking brake, shift it to drive, and go on. Never had a problem before.

So here's my question: Does the TJ - on either the parking brake, the shifter, or the 4WD shifter - have any kind of safety interlock switches (and if so, where are they)? I'm figuring that if it does, that maybe one of those (or maybe the brake switch?) is possibly bad, and should be replaced. If not, then what could have caused my problem? Is there anything else I should look at as possibilities?

Thank you.
 
That symptom can be caused by a broken ignition switch actuator pin. So much so that I carry a spare in the back of my TJ.

Thanks, Jerry! I know there's no guarantee on this bugaboo. Everything worked fine today, started up fine this morning, and again this evening. So I guess I'm gonna keep an eye on it.

That part isn't too expensive, so I'll probably pick one up soon. How difficult is it to replace, especially if I am "stuck at work"? I do carry a set of tools with me, but if it needs anything special, I'd like to know in case I have to do emergency surgery in the parking lot.

Thanks again; here's hoping it was a fluke, but I bet it'll crop its head up again in the future...sigh.
 
Thanks, Jerry! I know there's no guarantee on this bugaboo. Everything worked fine today, started up fine this morning, and again this evening. So I guess I'm gonna keep an eye on it.

That part isn't too expensive, so I'll probably pick one up soon. How difficult is it to replace, especially if I am "stuck at work"? I do carry a set of tools with me, but if it needs anything special, I'd like to know in case I have to do emergency surgery in the parking lot.

Thanks again; here's hoping it was a fluke, but I bet it'll crop its head up again in the future...sigh.
It needs a small security torx bit, I think it's something like a T-10 but don't hold me to that. I keep the required security torx bit in the box with the spare.
 
There is a neutral safety switch (NSS) on your automatic transmission that prevents the starter from engaging unless the shifter is in Park or Neutral. Try moving your shifter between Park and Neutral while the ignition switch is in the start position to see if it starts when slightly out of the usual Park or Neutral positions. If it does start reliably then, the shift cable length could be out of adjustment or perhaps the NSS has gone bad.

Otherwise I'd lean toward the above mentioned ignition switch actuator pin.
 
There is a neutral safety switch (NSS) on your automatic transmission that prevents the starter from engaging unless the shifter is in Park or Neutral. Try moving your shifter between Park and Neutral while the ignition switch is in the start position to see if it starts when slightly out of the usual Park or Neutral positions. If it does start reliably then, the shift cable length could be out of adjustment or perhaps the NSS has gone bad.

Otherwise I'd lean toward the above mentioned ignition switch actuator pin.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind - and that fits well with the fact that my coworker did move the shifter before trying it again, just before it started. Again on the question - does the FSM cover how to do these things - adjust the shift cable, change out the NSS, or replace the actuator pin?

I guess what I'm getting at is that while I understand everything you're saying, I would prefer to be armed a bit with some idea of how the repair is supposed to be done so I know what I need to take apart, and what I don't before attempting the repairs should it come to that.

Thank you!
 
Try what was suggested first on moving the shifter between Park and Neutral while the ignition switch is in the start position to see if it starts reliably somewhere first. :)
 
Try what was suggested first on moving the shifter between Park and Neutral while the ignition switch is in the start position to see if it starts reliably somewhere first. :)

This morning I tried things out. No matter what I did, I could not move the shifter out of park without first starting the vehicle.

Once I had the jeep started, I could then move it anywhere. I tried putting it in neutral, and shut the jeep off. Trying to restart it worked. I put it in reverse and shut it off. Trying to restart it did not work. Something else I found was that I couldn't rotate the key as far as usual shutting the jeep down when it was in reverse. So there seemed like there was some kind of 2-way interlock between the transmission and the key switch, unless I'm imagining things.

I will try again tomorrow morning, to make sure I'm not doing things wrong; regardless, I was able to start the jeep up, drive to work, then again start it up and drive home in the evening with no problems.
 
Not being able to turn the key all the way off in gear is normal. You should be able to shift out of park with the ignition on, but engine not running though.

Hmm - ok; well, I'll give it another shot tomorrow morning - I guess I didn't understand the directions exactly. My mistake. I'll update again tomorrow with what I find. Thanks!