Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts

Bad MPG

NKlekas

TJ Enthusiast
Original poster
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 15, 2019
Messages
158
Location
Elko, NV
I track my fuel every time I fill up and have been getting garbage MPG. The last 3 times I've filled gotten 10, 9.8 and 10.3 MPG. I have the 42RLE and proper gears, 5.13's with 33's. I'm leaning towards the O2 sensors are going bad...Leading to the point of the post, is there a way to check if the Sensors are going bad that doesn't involve taking them out?
 
Always been this way? What is the best mpg figure you have seen? My '05 with 3.73 gears and 33's has seen a best of 16.8 mpg.

Nope not this bad. The best I got was after the first tank after I got it re-geared back in May. I got almost 15 MPG (14.8). Even this summer when I had my RTT on for almost three months I was getting pretty much 13.
 
  • Like
Reactions: srimes
The fuel used must be matching the load to some extent or else it would set a check engine light. OBD2 calculates and monitors the difference from the factory base maps. Not sure what is the limit, maybe 20% it would set a code.

So the question is what is causing so much extra load on the engine?

I wouldn't waste time or money replacing O2 sensors.
 
The fuel used must be matching the load to some extent or else it would set a check engine light. OBD2 calculates and monitors the difference from the factory base maps. Not sure what is the limit, maybe 20% it would set a code.

So the question is what is causing so much extra load on the engine?

I wouldn't waste time or money replacing O2 sensors.

Yea that's true. Its not throwing any codes. I have a Garvin rack on witch probably doesn't help that much with MPG but I don't think a 70lbs rack would change it by 4 Miles
 
i’m running 33’s with 3.73 gears and the 42rle trans. and i don’t even waste my time checking fuel mileage. no sense in it till i regear. with 31’s it would come out to 14 mpg but, with the speedo being off nothing is accurate. bought it for the smiles per gallon not miles per gallon.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NKlekas
i’m running 33’s with 3.73 gears and the 42rle trans. and i don’t even waste my time checking fuel mileage. no sense in it till i regear. with 31’s it would come out to 14 mpg but, with the speedo being off nothing is accurate. bought it for the smiles per gallon not miles per gallon.

That’s not too bad. And another reason why I’m so confused on how bad mine has been lately
 
I track my fuel every time I fill up and have been getting garbage MPG. The last 3 times I've filled gotten 10, 9.8 and 10.3 MPG. I have the 42RLE and proper gears, 5.13's with 33's. I'm leaning towards the O2 sensors are going bad...Leading to the point of the post, is there a way to check if the Sensors are going bad that doesn't involve taking them out?

I have never been happier to see this light come on. Immediately plugged in my code reader and a bad 02 Sensor was the culprit. I had a feeling that was it but a code was thrown. I didn’t want to overreact. The 3 month bad MPG mystery is solved.

A16EE00E-ABF7-42AE-9CF1-E2A3B7975CEA.jpeg
 
I track my fuel every time I fill up and have been getting garbage MPG. The last 3 times I've filled gotten 10, 9.8 and 10.3 MPG. I have the 42RLE and proper gears, 5.13's with 33's. I'm leaning towards the O2 sensors are going bad...Leading to the point of the post, is there a way to check if the Sensors are going bad that doesn't involve taking them out?

Gonna revisit this because I still am lost. I have replaced all 4 of my 02 Sensors and it’s still around 9 MPG. I waited till summer when the winter fuel would be gone. I also just tracked my field with my top off and it still is only at about 10 MPG. No codes or anything being thrown. Am I missing something that could cause this?
 
I would say welcome to Jeep ownership - mine has always been terrible. That said, I have been chasing codes since I owned it - and current code is the catalytic converter. While it might be the cat (a restricted cat could be messing with gas mileage), but the code can also be associated with the O2 sensors (also could be messing with the gas mileage).

Good news - this is the first time I have only one code...
 
If you dont have a live streaming setup and understand what youre lookin at, its gonna be a “parts thrown at” guesswork scenario. Make a friend out of a mechanic

1. Clean the MAF
2. Clean the injectors
3. Check the plugs for fouling
4. Sensors youre SOL without scanning
5. Check the air filter, put a K&N in
6. Catalytic converter all gunked

i know in 5 more years I can ditch the emissions junk here in IL and get antique plates

Also beware of buying sensors & plugs off Amazon & Ebay that are counterfeit and not authentic. They deliver crappy performance. If you got any plugs from these places, it could be those
 
Last edited:
If you dont have a live streaming setup and understand what youre lookin at, its gonna be a “parts thrown at” guesswork scenario. Make a friend out of a mechanic

1. Clean the MAF
2. Clean the injectors
3. Check the plugs for fouling
4. Sensors youre SOL without scanning
5. Check the air filter, put a K&N in
6. Catalytic converter all gunked

i know in 5 more years I can ditch the emissions junk here in IL and get antique plates

Also beware of buying sensors & plugs off Amazon & Ebay that are counterfeit and not authentic. They deliver crappy performance. If you got any plugs from these places, it could be those

Jeeps don't use a MAF sensor.
I would stay away from a K&N. The stock air filter allows more than enough flow to support a 4.0's needs.
 
If you dont have a live streaming setup and understand what youre lookin at, its gonna be a “parts thrown at” guesswork scenario. Make a friend out of a mechanic

1. Clean the MAF
2. Clean the injectors
3. Check the plugs for fouling
4. Sensors youre SOL without scanning
5. Check the air filter, put a K&N in
6. Catalytic converter all gunked
Installing a K&N air filter is one of the worst things we can to do our engines. They don't filter worth a crap, they pass way too much dirt and fine dust. And as above our TJs don't have a MAF sensor.
 
  • Like
Reactions: williambmac
Do yourself a favor and try doing a global reset. Remove the negative and positive battery cables and hold them together for 30-45 seconds.
this will completely drain the capacitors in the pcm. It basically resets your system and forces the pcm to relearn.

There are other things that may cause your decrease in fuel economy.
1) dragging brakes
2) added weight
3) improper gearing
4) driving style

My jeep gets around 15-16 mpg. When I was running a 35" spare on the back it was around 12 mpg.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RMETeeJay and SSTJ
Spit balling an idea- how long ago was the gear change- I assume that you had some breal in time? I am not savvy enough on the gear set-ups if you can set those too tight that it would have increased drag. 🤷 probably running a heavy conventional gear lube, I have always like to switch over Redline synthetic in my diffs to reduce the friction loss and it usually nets me a mpg on the highway mileage.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: NKlekas
Spit balling an idea- how long ago was the gear change- I assume that you had some beak in time? I am not savvy enough on the gear set-ups if you can set those too tight that it would have increased drag. 🤷 probably running a heavy conventional gear lube, I have always like to switch over Redline synthetic in my diffs to reduce the friction loss and it usually nets me a mpg on the highway mileage.
Running a synthetic gear lube absolutely will not cause better mpg. What it can and will do is raise the temperature at which the gears run since synthetic gear lubes don't extract/sink the heat out of the gears as well as a conventional gear lube does. It's especially critical to run a conventional after installing new aftermarket gears due to the critical break-in process where keeping the temperature low is critical. New vehicles can run synthetic gear lubes with new gears only because their gear manufacturers pre-lap them so they don't need a break-in like aftermarket gears do. Which is why manufacturers like Revolution Gear, Yukon, Currie, Dynatrac, etc. either strongly recommend or require conventional gear lubes to keep their warranties intact.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NKlekas
Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts