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Very different cars that really aren't comparable. That's something that a lot of the older guys have trouble accepting. They tend to cling to the idea of a '60s muscle car being fast, but I can go to Honda today and buy a 4-cylinder Civic that will outperform an old Corvette in every performance metric, and that Honda will have A/C and a radio. But those old muscle cars have a style and soul that these new cars can't obtain.
I guess that's why restomods are so popular, even though they tend to lose the soul aspect.If you want fast, safe and comfortable, buy new. If you want cool, exciting and enjoyable, buy old. If you have too much money, restomod.
Very different cars that really aren't comparable. That's something that a lot of the older guys have trouble accepting. They tend to cling to the idea of a '60s muscle car being fast, but I can go to Honda today and buy a 4-cylinder Civic that will outperform an old Corvette in every performance metric, and that Honda will have A/C and a radio. But those old muscle cars have a style and soul that these new cars can't obtain.
If you want fast, safe and comfortable, buy new. If you want cool, exciting and enjoyable, buy old. If you have too much money, restomod.
I'd likely prefer buying the 4x4 regular cab supercharged F150 option that has 7 to 800 horse.
Very different cars that really aren't comparable. That's something that a lot of the older guys have trouble accepting. They tend to cling to the idea of a '60s muscle car being fast, but I can go to Honda today and buy a 4-cylinder Civic that will outperform an old Corvette in every performance metric, and that Honda will have A/C and a radio. But those old muscle cars have a style and soul that these new cars can't obtain.
If you want fast, safe and comfortable, buy new. If you want cool, exciting and enjoyable, buy old. If you have too much money, restomod.
I'll take that 57 Chevy everyday over anything new just because of the style. If money wasn't an object I'd do a full frame off restomod with a new updated frame & God forbid maybe even a LS engine...
But I agree that if you just want to go fast something like the Ram TRX is going to be the better option and safer plus a lot more comfortable.
My buddies who build cars for people are doing so many LS powered restomod type vehicles, it's basically 80-90% of their businesses right now. Steve currently has 2 fist gen Camaros both getting new LS crate engines, one with a 6-speed, the other auto, and new frames from Art Morrison. $$$.
Brandon has basically been doing nothing but trucks lately, all LS swapped. A few weeks ago I was at his shop and counted 5 trucks, all junkyard LS swapped. Most of these trucks think they're a late model Tahoe.
Edit; I should add, Brandon has done so many of these trucks over the last 10 years, he can pump them out in just a few months. He was explaining to me that a certain generation of 2wd Tahoe will swap engine-trans-driveshaft, maybe rear axle too, straight into a short bed C10. I think he moves the motor mounts a few inches, but does nothing else. Then he has a guy strip out the unnecessary wiring and the ECU is flashed to shut down unnecessary stuff, so these trucks can be plugged up and serviced just like a late model. He told me if I want to do that with my '64 actual cost would be around $4,000, which is what I expect a SBC rebuild to cost with me doing most of the work. Decisions. Mechanical animal vs electronic monkey.
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My buddies who build cars for people are doing so many LS powered restomod type vehicles, it's basically 80-90% of their businesses right now. Steve currently has 2 fist gen Camaros both getting new LS crate engines, one with a 6-speed, the other auto, and new frames from Art Morrison. $$$.
Brandon has basically been doing nothing but trucks lately, all LS swapped. A few weeks ago I was at his shop and counted 5 trucks, all junkyard LS swapped. Most of these trucks think they're a late model Tahoe.
Edit; I should add, Brandon has done so many of these trucks over the last 10 years, he can pump them out in just a few months. He was explaining to me that a certain generation of 2wd Tahoe will swap engine-trans-driveshaft, maybe rear axle too, straight into a short bed C10. I think he moves the motor mounts a few inches, but does nothing else. Then he has a guy strip out the unnecessary wiring and the ECU is flashed to shut down unnecessary stuff, so these trucks can be plugged up and serviced just like a late model. He told me if I want to do that with my '64 actual cost would be around $4,000, which is what I expect a SBC rebuild to cost with me doing most of the work. Decisions. Mechanical animal vs electronic monkey.
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Sure goes a long way in explaining why I can't seem to find any shortbeds around...
Sure goes a long way in explaining why I can't seem to find any shortbeds around...
He also knows the secret to cutting down a long bed, so they'll dry up too.
He also knows the secret to cutting down a long bed, so they'll dry up too.
Sounds like we need to do a "Hoffa" on him then....
Funny you should mention that. I had the opportunity to top out my TJ a couple of weeks back for science (closed track, of course...a stock TJ handles better at 90 , and we know how stupid 90 is in a TJ.......
). Had a couple of miles of space. Would not break 100
. No pics as I wasn't taking a hand off the wheel even though it felt remarkably smooth and steady.
Funny you should mention that. I had the opportunity to top out my TJ a couple of weeks back for science (closed track, of course
Mine is limited at about 95 or 96
The speed limit someplaces is 80 mph. I usually set the cruise 5 to 10 over.
Would not break 100
My Jeep is a smooth, stable ride, but I have no interest in that speed in my Jeep. I doubt I've ever been over 75, and I won't hang out there long. 50-60 is my preferred speed.
Having said that, when I was younger (dumber) I determined a Honda of mine would hit a wall right at 145, she needs more power
, and a particular Mustang was factory limited to 155 or 165, but she still had another gear to go. I also figured out the aerodynamics of a 3rd gen Dodge get a little funky at 110-120. I bet I haven't been above 90 in over a decade now, I'm smarter than that now. Also, I can't afford it. I think aerodynamic issues are pretty limiting. It’s interesting how big of an influence airflow has on performance and handling at speed in general. Although triple digit speed comes amazingly quickly in my 5.0 Mustang, it got very light in the front end around 120 in stock form. After lowering the car and adding and chin spoiler, stability at that pace went from scary to calm.
My Jeep is a smooth, stable ride, but I have no interest in that speed in my Jeep. I doubt I've ever been over 75, and I won't hang out there long. 50-60 is my preferred speed.
Having said that, when I was younger (dumber) I determined a Honda of mine would hit a wall right at 145, she needs more power
My 3rd gen is ECM limited around 105. Setting the cruise at 10 over like @Apparition in places like Utah, its happy as long as the road (not towing).
Just a little faster and the front end will start darting around, and the front doors will pull off of the seals near the windshield enough to know it. I've had both a 3500 and 1500 (4wd, but I don't think that matters) do this.
I'm going to guess if I grabbed the tuner off my Mustang and put it on the TJ removing the limiter I'd be able to peg the speedo.
Aero plays a huge role at speed. Power needed to push vehicle X increases exponentially as we go faster, and CoD becomes increasingly important. If you're not failure, there are math equations for drag racing that produce pretty accurate HP/weight/ET numbers just by knowing two of the three.
Sine you know your power numbers, go run your Jeep down the 1/4 and see what it weighs.
http://wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
I wonder if I was hitting a limiter. It didn’t feel like the truck which pulls hard to the number and then obviously stumbles. The TJ just sort of faded. Not that it matters or isn’t for the best because as @BlueC says, anything over 75 is a bit much, really.
If you had more RPM available, I'll bet you ran out of power to overcome the aero, and it was probably right at your torque peak. Every limiter that I've found has been rather harsh and noticeable, but when I've run out of power, it was like the car just kinda slowly quit accelerating and settled in right around the known Tq peak.
You guys are crazy... I think I might have had my TJ up to 75 a few times and that is about it...
My Harley was limited to 110 MPH stock but once I put a tune on it that went away. I had my Ram up to 100 MPH a few times but I didn't like watching my fuel gauge go down so fast.
While in Germany in the 80's I had a late 70's Chevy van up to 105 MPH but only did it once. Now my Wagoneer with a 401 would do 110-115 MPH if I kept my foot in it but again you burned a lot of fuel at those speeds.
I keep it around 3-5 MPH over now. And when driving the motorhome I keep it at 65 MPH no matter where I am. 10 MPG hurts enough.
My Harley was limited to 110 MPH stock but once I put a tune on it that went away. I had my Ram up to 100 MPH a few times but I didn't like watching my fuel gauge go down so fast.
While in Germany in the 80's I had a late 70's Chevy van up to 105 MPH but only did it once. Now my Wagoneer with a 401 would do 110-115 MPH if I kept my foot in it but again you burned a lot of fuel at those speeds.
I keep it around 3-5 MPH over now. And when driving the motorhome I keep it at 65 MPH no matter where I am. 10 MPG hurts enough.
I used to speed whenever I had the opportunity. When I was a teen, I used to run 100+ daily.
I actually remember winding up in a game of cat-'n-mouse with a trooper over a few weeks. Every time I’d pass him at speed, he was going the other way. Every time he was going my way, I was driving the limit. He pulled me one morning just to let me know. Now I just cruise, and I will be the plug. But my buddy approached me last week about getting back to the local drag strip....