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COVID-19 and holding China accountable


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In 1991 I built a house. At that time I could buy USA made items or imported mainly China or Taiwan. Honestly some of the Taiwan ones were better quality (plumbing valves)

My kids are 1996 -98 vintage. They both went to parochial grade school. Sometimes I would mention that all their toys and our Christmas decorations were made by the Godless Chinese Communists and their child slave labor.

In 2000 I bought a Kinze corn planter. In the "deal" to save a few bucks I did the final set up and assembly in my shop. Opening the boxes marked: Kinze, proudly made in the USA" out falls the Chinese roller chain, bolts, bearings.

2010 remolding the present house: Hardly any USA items to be found on the shelf. Lighting, faucets, etc. Electrical outlets switches and breakers still made here.

2014 Bought a CNH grain combine tons of Chinese hydraulic fittings, bearings, etc. Some bearings have failed at 400 hours.

Over the last 25 years China has become the worlds factory. You would be hard pressed to find anything built in the USA that doesn't have a Chinese part in it.

And now we have the Covid-19 and the saber rattling. Oh yes Mr. Politician, you look so tough for your constituents.

America while beating its chest: "China you're going to pay!"
China: "No soup for you". (fittings, PPE, antibiotics, spare parts and on and on)

Can America for once "play the long game" IE move production back here that involves national security?
Slowly ween ourselves from the china teet and never say a word?
 
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I don’t know, but I really hope so. I’d love to move as much as possible out of China. Even if that means manufacturing more in Canada, Mexico, etc.
 
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Can America for once "play the long game" IE move production back here that involves national security?
Slowly ween ourselves from the china teet and never say a word?
IMO, the answer is no. We seem to have a short memory. A few months/years from now, we're going to be looking for the least expensive option for our purchases, and not concerned about quality.
 

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Until the people develop the will to restructure how the federal government is funded and end the crushing regulatory madness manufacturing will not be making a significant long term comeback in this country.
 
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We've got the political bravado. "Need to look tough prior to election"
And the fervor going around to boycott Chinese products. Impossible. Your John Deere riding mower has Chinese parts in it.

Not saying I like it.

(posted from a Chinese made device)
 
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A virus doesn't know borders, its not even a living organism. It would be very ignorant to blame China and ask to hold then accountable just because its where the outbreak started. Theres a very good probability that this is not going to be the last pandemic we are going to see. Pandemics are correlated with population growth and expansion to rural areas with their endemic pathogenic reservoir not known to humans, not nationality. Human expansion and growth is something that occurs in all countries of the planet. The next pandemic could start within the U.S..

If theres someone to blame for the crappy Chinese quality, its the very same companies in the US that have gone from High quality standard to price point standard. China is just doing the job.


And is there something wrong with being Godless? Or even having multiple Gods? I really would love to read why it would be wrong or right.
 
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A virus doesn't know borders, its not even a living organism. It would be very ignorant to blame China and ask to hold then accountable just because its where the outbreak started. Theres a very good probability that this is not going to be the last pandemic we are going to see. Pandemics are correlated with population growth and expansion to rural areas with their endemic pathogenic reservoir not known to humans, not nationality. Human expansion and growth is something that occurs in all countries of the planet. The next pandemic could start within the U.S..

If theres someone to blame for the crappy Chinese quality, its the very same companies in the US that have gone from High quality standard to price point standard. China is just doing the job.


And is there something wrong with being Godless? Or even having multiple Gods? I really would love to read why it would be wrong or right.
Passive aggressive question. Is that ALL you got out of my post?
Surely you can see the irony of who is making the gifts and decorations for a Christian holiday?
 

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Passive aggressive question. Is that ALL you got out of my post?
Surely you can see the irony of who is making the gifts and decorations for a Christian holiday?
I just think its really stupid to try and hold a country accountable for a virus. I see no Irony in Chinese making Christmas decor, its a job like any other.
 

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If anything comes of this, I would hope the Chinese government is smart enough to ban the wet markets.

Of course I doubt that will happen, and so it's just a matter of time before another virus spreads from animals to humans.
 
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I just think its really stupid to try and hold a country accountable for a virus. I see no Irony in Chinese making Christmas decor, its a job like any other.
No where in my OP did I advocate for holding them responsible. Far from it. I personally don't like many of the vital items for our security being made anywhere but here. We're in too deep to do anything rash.

Regarding god or godless. The Chicoms force the population to be godless.
 
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If anything comes of this, I would hope the Chinese government is smart enough to ban the wet markets.

Of course I doubt that will happen, and so it's just a matter of time before another virus spreads from animals to humans.
OANN.com was talking about the Wuhan virus lab scientist/student who they figure is "patient zero". Her whole identity has been scrubbed from the website including research papers. All the Chinese are saying is: she's doing well. But not so far to show the world in person.

Possibly the "wet market" spread came after she caught the virus in the Wuhan lab.
 
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OANN.com was talking about the Wuhan virus lab scientist/student who they figure is "patient zero". Her whole identity has been scrubbed from the website including research papers. All the Chinese are saying is: she's doing well. But not so far to show the world in person.

Possibly the "wet market" spread came after she caught the virus in the Wuhan lab.
It's hard to say. I've been reading conflicting reports about the virus originating in a lab, and from the market itself.

Be that as it may, those markets are still barbaric, and let's not forget the other viruses that came from the Chinese's penchant for eating anything with a heartbeat.
 
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My comment is based on your thread title, and what i think related to holding china accountable for a virus. If you take it personal I really dont care. Im aware that communism doesnt want religious belives. But when it comes to business, its all fair game, commi, socialist or democratic.
 

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I just think its really stupid to try and hold a country accountable for a virus. I see no Irony in Chinese making Christmas decor, its a job like any other.
So the world shouldn’t hold a China accountable for conducting poorly or otherwise incompetently controlled biological testing, then attempting to hide and lie to the international community about it causing an incalculable amount of deaths and financial destruction?
 
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My comment is based on your thread title, and what i think related to holding china accountable for a virus. If you take it personal I really dont care. Im aware that communism doesnt want religious belives. But when it comes to business, its all fair game, commi, socialist or democratic.
Nothing personal taken. The topic stated the common opinion circulating today. I proceeded to shoot holes in the idea based on the fact that we are backed into a corner and in fact reliant on them.
Your inability to read and comprehend the English language has taken it to this point.
 

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And is there something wrong with being Godless? Or even having multiple Gods? I really would love to read why it would be wrong or right.
Nothing wrong with it, unless of course you value freedom....

Acknowledging an authority higher than government is liberty’s cornerstone.
 
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Nothing wrong with it, unless of course you value freedom....

Acknowledging an authority higher than government is liberty’s cornerstone.
Absolutely.
Is it moral to commit murder? Where do morals come from?
 
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So the world shouldn’t hold a China accountable for conducting poorly or otherwise incompetently controlled biological testing, then attempting to hide and lie to the international community about it causing an incalculable amount of deaths and financial destruction?


If you are referring to hold them accountable for poor handling, then no more than we should hold trump accountable for having a “hunch” that nothing is going to happened with the virus in the US.

No one was prepare for this, i think all countries would have tried to kept it quite in order to prevent whats happening to the world economy, but it got out of everybody's hand, not just China.
 
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If you are referring to hold them accountable for poor handling, then no more than we should hold trump accountable for having a “hunch” that nothing is going to happened with the virus in the US.

No one was prepare for this, i think all countries would have tried to kept it quite in order to prevent whats happening to the world economy, but it got out of everybody's hand, not just China.
And there it is. Interesting how rapidly it devolves.

Reality check.
Trump: I'm closing flights to China
Pelosi: Come to Chinatown, don't listen to that xenophobe.

PS I agree with your last sentence to some extent however our "friends" might have tipped the USA/world off.
 

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And there it is. Interesting how rapidly it devolves.

Reality check.
Trump: I'm closing flights to China
Pelosi: Come to Chinatown, don't listen to that xenophobe.

PS I agree with your last sentence to some extent however our "friends" might have tipped the USA/world off.
I could have said the US, or Xi jJingpin still the same. I honestly could care less about both parties, same thing different names. Its all about money and power in the end. Very few people have Ideals these days, those who do are probably not politicians.

I don't doubt that China/Xi use this pandemic as a political/power play. But accusing them of that and saying that the US/trump or any other country/leader would have done it different is really naive knowing how things have come along in our planet.

You see, just because someone names trump, doesn't mean its a liberal.... No need to jump ad hominem.
 
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