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taylormade73 said:
Never had the Monroe, but it is stiffer than the Fox I had.
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To compress the Monroe, I needed to put quite a bit of body weight on it. And i could barely extend or compress it with one end in each hand. That isn't a great way to convey how stiff it is, but the OMESD48 didn't need a feat of strength to move around.
 
I thought you might get a kick out of the RC recommendation. I wonder if installing the front Fox shocks will reduce feed back through the steering? I'm looking forward to a smoother ride.

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Brianj5600 said:
I thought you might get a kick out of the RC recommendation. I wonder if installing the front Fox shocks will reduce feed back through the steering? I'm looking forward to a smoother ride.

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I think the fronts will improve quite a bit about the handling. The steering isn't really a problem. My thinking about wanting a harder damper has everything to do with what I've experienced recently with the new rear tune and the SwayLOC. And the fact that I know I like the steering better with a damper compared to without. And knowing the hydro assist is an extremely heavy damper that often results in improved steering.

The idea is that controlling the steering movement is desirable. So a stiffer steering damper might be a further improvement.

I am very surprised that the OME damper turned out to be what it is. Is that what all these "upgraded" dampers are? If we follow the forum recommendation of the Monroe, the reason isn't because it is a stiff damper. But because it is good enough and that hard dampers are somehow detrimental to the steering gear. Clearly none of this is correct. It is a stiff damper and it isn't causing premature wear to the steering box. In fact, if you do the math on how much force the steering box puts out, this idea is silly.
 
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jjvw said:
I think the fronts will improve quite a bit about the handling. The steering isn't really a problem. My thinking about wanting a harder damper has everything to do with what I've experienced recently with the new rear tune and the SwayLOC. And the fact that I know I like the steering better with a damper compared to without. And knowing the hydro assist is an extremely heavy damper that often results in improved steering.

The idea is that controlling the steering movement is desirable. So a stiffer steering damper might be a further improvement.

I am very surprised that the OME damper turned out to be what it is. Is that what all these "upgraded" dampers are? If we follow the forum recommendation of the Monroe, the reason isn't because it is a stiff damper. But because it is good enough and that hard dampers are somehow detrimental to the steering gear. Clearly none of this is correct. It is a stiff damper and it isn't causing premature wear to the steering box. In fact, if you do the math on how much force the steering box has, this idea is silly.
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Is it difficult to extend as well? Or just hard to compress?
 
jjvw said:
I think the fronts will improve quite a bit about the handling. The steering isn't really a problem. My thinking about wanting a harder damper has everything to do with what I've experienced recently with the new rear tune and the SwayLOC. And the fact that I know I like the steering better with a damper compared to without. And knowing the hydro assist is an extremely heavy damper that often results in improved steering.

The idea is that controlling the steering movement is desirable. So a stiffer steering damper might be a further improvement.

I am very surprised that the OME damper turned out to be what it is. Is that what all these "upgraded" dampers are? If we follow the forum recommendation of the Monroe, the reason isn't because it is a stiff damper. But because it is good enough and that hard dampers are somehow detrimental to the steering gear. Clearly none of this is correct. It is a stiff damper and it isn't causing premature wear to the steering box. In fact, if you do the math on how much force the steering box has, this idea is silly.
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You need to feel a fox damper. I just sold one and i had just about all 200 pounds of my fat ass leaning on that thing to get it fully compressed to put a few zipties through it so it fit in a smaller box.
 
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Lou said:
You need to feel a fox damper. I just sold one and i had just about all 200 pounds of my fat ass leaning on that thing to get it fully compressed to put a few zipties through it so it fit in a smaller box.
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200lbs both directions, though? Even with the gas charge?
 
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200lbs both directions, though? Even with the gas charge?
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Like i said previously, the gas charge is pretty minimal. I spoke to fox about it ~4 years ago and they are only supposed to have 50 psi in them. I think way back they were building them with 200 psi. The damper i had 4-5 years ago extended on its own. The one i just sold took considerable amounts of time to extend on its own.
 
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Lou said:
You need to feel a fox damper. I just sold one and i had just about all 200 pounds of my fat ass leaning on that thing to get it fully compressed to put a few zipties through it so it fit in a smaller box.
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A buddy recently bought a Fox steering damper and asked me to help him install it. Doing so reminded me of installing Bilstein 5100 shocks. So stiff, I couldn't compress them without help. I've always used the Monroe and never had an issue with one.
 
I literally re-read through most this thread again today at work. I'm debating relocating my rear coil buckets while my axle is out in a few weeks, for better bump stop geometry and know i could see how it was done in here somewhere.

I also get the Milestar Patagonia distaste now. Besides that, lots of good Colorado wheeling pics in here.
 
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Team Colorado-Red-Shift-on-35s-Everyone-Except-Wisconsin-is-Invited-to-Come-Along-with-Us is now official for the first half of TJ Fest!

Come with food for the day and a full tank of gas. Team Colorado is using CB radios. We may or may not invest in GMRS.


Friday afternoon travel from Colorado via I-70
-Hotel Green River


Saturday April 24
Meet 9am at Little Lion's Back near Sand Creek Entrance. Pay entrance fee.
Fins and Things
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/539-fins-and-things


Hells Revenge
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/549-hells-revenge


-Camp Sand Flats Recreational Area


Sunday April 25
Metal Masher
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/570-metal-masher


???
-Camp


Monday April 26
Entrada Bluffs Rd
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/1302-entrada-bluffs-road


Top of the World
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/607-top-of-the-world-utah


Rose Garden Hill
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/591-rose-garden-hill


Onion Creek
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/579-onion-creek


Gateway/Castleton
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/1305-gateway-castleton-route
-Camp on trail


Tuesday April 27
Gateway-Castleton


21 Road
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/196-21-road


Travel East on I-70

This schedule could and likely will change as we get closer to TJ Fest. I'll post any changes to the official thread.
 
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