Do-anything LJ build advice

Here is a front cage add-on thru the dash kit. I don't know anything else about it other than what is on their page. So if you order one you'd be the ginny pig.

https://swracecars.com/product/10-point-cage-conversion-dom-jeep-tj-1-3-4/

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Includes halo hoop, dash bar, (2) windshields bars. Tubing not notched
 
5-point harness when I start serious crawling (need cage first). Factory belt for now. No plans for high-speed off-road.

Then you aren't understanding the question. Have you followed any of the dozens of other cage threads? Can you predict how a roll will happen and how you or an occupant will respond?
 
If you are running 35” on stock Rubi 44’s I‘d seriously look at the Vanco/Blackmagic big brake kit.

Something quite a few people overlook when upgrading to bigger tires on stock axles.
My LJ and TJ both now run them.
 
If you are running 35” on stock Rubi 44’s I‘d seriously look at the Vanco/Blackmagic big brake kit.

Something quite a few people overlook when upgrading to bigger tires on stock axles.
My LJ and TJ both now run them.

I am running Black Magic pads, and I’ve seen that recommendation elsewhere, too. It’s on the list.
 
Then you aren't understanding the question. Have you followed any of the dozens of other cage threads? Can you predict how a roll will happen and how you or an occupant will respond?

Maybe you should have asked the question you actually wanted the answer to. Or skipped the question and offered the advice you’re angling towards. What was the right answer?

Are there particularly good cage threads you could point me to? It’s tough to pick the good from the bad myself without spending time reading through all of them. I’m here to learn the best way to move forward from the people who’ve done it and know what works.
 
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Maybe you should have asked the question you actually wanted the answer to. Or skipped the question and offered the advice you’re angling towards. What was the right answer?

Are there particularly good cage threads you could point me to? It’s tough to pick the good from the bad myself without spending time reading through all of them. I’m here to learn the best way to move forward from the people who’ve done it and know what works.

I asked exactly the question that I wanted and intended to.
 
Then what is your point?

The point is there is a lot of confusion and justifications out there about "cages". The most common answer to someone pointing out that there are glaring discrepancies in aftermarket versions is to say that "something is better than nothing". While on the face that is a true statement, where it fails is you don't have nothing now. You do have some protection and while it does have some limitations that require you to need a crystal ball to predict how to roll your rig and stay safe, the same is also true for the vast majority of aftermarket options as well.

You can't have a cage that will protect you correctly unless you tie it into the frame correctly, get windshield spreaders in place, an X through the firewall and then tie all that in properly through to the front of the frame. That also necessitates door bars which requires ingress and egress through the windows. No one is going to do that so you wind up with a lot of compromises that generally tend to cause one to wheel with a bit more confidence than is prudent. Especially since the other side of that equation is a proper 5 point harness, a helmet, window nets, and wrist restraints. Yeah I know, I mentioned restraints but don't get all excited, they just keep your arms from flying out the window in a roll. Not the ones you were thinking of.
 
You asked what the knowledgeable folks around here recommend. I gave you the answer, which you dismissed. So Josh asked how you are planning to solve the safety issues associated with using an aftermarket cage.

You're absolutely right. Apologies @starkey480 and @jjvw, I've always run under the assumption that the stock cage is insufficient for any off-roading. I think I should have started with, "When is a full cage needed?" and "Does adding a full cage create other problems?"
 
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The point is there is a lot of confusion and justifications out there about "cages". The most common answer to someone pointing out that there are glaring discrepancies in aftermarket versions is to say that "something is better than nothing". While on the face that is a true statement, where it fails is you don't have nothing now. You do have some protection and while it does have some limitations that require you to need a crystal ball to predict how to roll your rig and stay safe, the same is also true for the vast majority of aftermarket options as well.

You can't have a cage that will protect you correctly unless you tie it into the frame correctly, get windshield spreaders in place, an X through the firewall and then tie all that in properly through to the front of the frame. That also necessitates door bars which requires ingress and egress through the windows. No one is going to do that so you wind up with a lot of compromises that generally tend to cause one to wheel with a bit more confidence than is prudent. Especially since the other side of that equation is a proper 5 point harness, a helmet, window nets, and wrist restraints. Yeah I know, I mentioned restraints but don't get all excited, they just keep your arms from flying out the window in a roll. Not the ones you were thinking of.

Thanks for elaborating. Sounds like the biggest risk of adding a cage is that it's not a "true" cage but feeds overconfidence like it is.
 
My experience is I've always rock crawled with people who abandoned sense and reason long ago. I've been upside down in several rigs, and the worst damage was a dented tube and scratched paint. I've seen stock cages completely demolished in similar situations. I'm just trying to keep me and my passengers safer. Obviously part of that is "not driving like an asshole;" is it actually all of the answer?
 
My experience is I've always rock crawled with people who abandoned sense and reason long ago. I've been upside down in several rigs, and the worst damage was a dented tube and scratched paint. I've seen stock cages completely demolished in similar situations. I'm just trying to keep me and my passengers safer. Obviously part of that is "not driving like an asshole;" is it actually all of the answer?

Think of it like this, the stock cage is a one time use item. It will save your life in a single flop. But you will need a new one after.
 
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I’m also under the impression that 5 point harnesses are not a good combo with airbags due to increased potential for neck damage.
 
Ok, enough about cages.

Shocks: How can I test the RE shocks I have that probably have over 100k miles on them?