Kid Mechanic
TJ Enthusiast
I’ve never lost a motor either, or even misplaced one. Mine have all been bolted in.Haven't lost a motor yet.
However, I have lost (or misplaced) a 10mm socket… once!
I’ve never lost a motor either, or even misplaced one. Mine have all been bolted in.Haven't lost a motor yet.
JLs have a cartridge filter? That's an upgrade in my book.Agreed...people worry too much and do things the way grandpa showed them which is fine and doesn't hurt a thing but is extra steps. I think about my wife's jl with a cartridge filter...it doesn't have any oil at startup correct?
And I've run oil for 20k miles before changing without losing the motor, doesn't mean it's a good idear.
I've watched the gauge on startup comparing a full vs empty filter, and empty does take longer to build pressure. Is it enough to matter? Probably not if the motor was ran shortly before changing. Engines can lose all oil pressure and run for a surprisingly long time under no load.
JLs have a cartridge filter? That's an upgrade in my book.
My wife's 2019 doesJLs have a cartridge filter? That's an upgrade in my book.
I think the bypass and drain back valves are in the engine instead of the filter. Generally they are higher quality and more reliable when they aren't in a disposable cartridge. The filter without a can is also easier to make and there is less trash every oil change.I don't see it being related to reliability or longevity. It has to benefit the manufacturer somehow.
There can be only one.Which one? There are many of us.
I think the bypass and drain back valves are in the engine instead of the filter. Generally they are higher quality and more reliable when they aren't in a disposable cartridge. The filter without a can is also easier to make and there is less trash every oil change.
It doesnt hurt to pre fill you filter, I was taught that way so continued, I am sure most lube shops dont bother anymore, I suppose its like almost everyone got taught to peel a banana the wrong way but it still works.I’ve seen videos where folks have put a dab of oil on the outside part of the filter but I’ve also heard that you need to fill the filter with oil first before install?
How did you get a picture of my sign?Boy talking about OIL is like talking about Politics or Religion.
And don’t call me Asshole. It’s Mr Asshole.
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I like cartridge filters because they're GENERALLY cleaner and easier to deal with. Spin-ons start dripping oil as soon as they're loose - some cartridge filters do too, but some don't. If nothing else, I like being able to put a ratchet on the thing and it will come off, no matter how ham fisted the guy that installed it was! In any event, I'm glad to hear the trend appears to be away from spin-ons.seems at least a few car manufacturers agree with you, as Toyota switched to a cartridge for the 1GR-FE used in the 4runner. I don't know where the JK puts it. On my BMW's it's always been up top, which wasn't too bad. Toyota puts it upside down in the front bottom of the engine. Oil changes went from a 20 minute job (much like the TJ) on the 4th gen to an hour of struggling with skid plates and making a mess with the 5th gen.
I have no idea why. Seems like you can put just as much area of the exact same filter media in a spin on as you can a cartridge so I don't see it being related to reliability or longevity. It has to benefit the manufacturer somehow.