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Reductions amount to about 14% of carmaker’s local workforce
Vice chairman says Europe, Germany lack clear EV policy agenda



A Ford dealership in East Peoria, Illinois.

By William Wilkes and Jamie Nimmo
November 20, 2024 at 1:30 PM UTC

Ford Motor Co. will look to eliminate another 4,000 positions in Europe, further retrenching from a region where the transition to electric vehicles is losing traction industrywide.

The reductions — which amount to about 14% of Ford Europe’s workforce — will primarily hit operations in Germany and the UK by the end of 2027, pending consultations with unions and governments. The automaker also announced Wednesday it will reduce production of Explorer and Capri EV models at its complex in Cologne, Germany.

Ford vowed in early 2021 to drastically overhaul its business in Europe, saying it would go almost completely electric by the end of the decade. That transformation hasn’t been going to plan, with the company announcing early last year that it would slash 3,800 jobs. Peers including Volkswagen AG and Stellantis NV have issued profit warnings in recent months, citing the broad slowdown in vehicle sales and governments pulling support for EV purchases.

“What we lack in Europe and Germany is an unmistakable, clear policy agenda to advance e-mobility,” John Lawler, Ford’s vice chairman and chief financial officer, said in a statement. He called for more public investment in charging infrastructure, meaningful EV incentives and greater flexibility in CO2 emissions-reduction targets, which the EU and UK are making more stringent next year.

Ford Lowers Profit Expectation Under Pressure From EV Losses

Plug-in unit had $1.2 billion loss during third quarter
Carmaker sees progress in warranty costs after action by CEO


By Keith Naughton
October 28, 2024 at 8:12 PM UTC
Updated on October 28, 2024 at 8:29 PM UTC

Ford Motor Co. said full-year earnings would be at the low end of its forecast as the carmaker struggles to cut costs and overhaul its electric vehicle strategy in the face of slowing EV demand.

Adjusted earnings before interest and taxes this year will be about $10 billion, down from a previous outlook for as much as $12 billion, the company said Monday. Analysts had expected $10.6 billion.

Excluding some items, profit in the third quarter was 49 cents a share, matching the average of analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg.

Ford’s shares fell 4.6% as of 4:29 p.m. after regular trading in New York, on pace to extend this year’s 7% slump.

The lower full-year target comes as Ford said it lost $1.2 billion in its electric vehicle business in the third quarter, which it said is facing pricing pressure. Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley has said the EV unit is “the main drag on the whole company.” Ford’s cross-town rival General Motors Co. last week raised its 2024 profit projection for the third time this year.

In July, Ford’s shares went into a tailspin after the automaker reported a surge in warranty costs that caused it to fall short of profit estimates. Ford said it reduced warranty expenses in the third quarter, while benefiting from higher pricing on its vehicles.

Farley has taken drastic action to remedy the repair woes, even forgoing near-term profit by holding thousands of new models in parking lots around Detroit for extra quality checks.

Ford is also is scaling back its EV investments as mainstream buyers balk at pricey battery powered models and fret about a spotty charging infrastructure. In August, Farley pulled the plug on an electric three-row sport utility vehicle the company had in the works.
 
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Reductions amount to about 14% of carmaker’s local workforce
Vice chairman says Europe, Germany lack clear EV policy agenda



A Ford dealership in East Peoria, Illinois.

By William Wilkes and Jamie Nimmo
November 20, 2024 at 1:30 PM UTC

Ford Motor Co. will look to eliminate another 4,000 positions in Europe, further retrenching from a region where the transition to electric vehicles is losing traction industrywide.

The reductions — which amount to about 14% of Ford Europe’s workforce — will primarily hit operations in Germany and the UK by the end of 2027, pending consultations with unions and governments. The automaker also announced Wednesday it will reduce production of Explorer and Capri EV models at its complex in Cologne, Germany.

Ford vowed in early 2021 to drastically overhaul its business in Europe, saying it would go almost completely electric by the end of the decade. That transformation hasn’t been going to plan, with the company announcing early last year that it would slash 3,800 jobs. Peers including Volkswagen AG and Stellantis NV have issued profit warnings in recent months, citing the broad slowdown in vehicle sales and governments pulling support for EV purchases.

“What we lack in Europe and Germany is an unmistakable, clear policy agenda to advance e-mobility,” John Lawler, Ford’s vice chairman and chief financial officer, said in a statement. He called for more public investment in charging infrastructure, meaningful EV incentives and greater flexibility in CO2 emissions-reduction targets, which the EU and UK are making more stringent next year.

Ford Lowers Profit Expectation Under Pressure From EV Losses

Plug-in unit had $1.2 billion loss during third quarter
Carmaker sees progress in warranty costs after action by CEO


By Keith Naughton
October 28, 2024 at 8:12 PM UTC
Updated on October 28, 2024 at 8:29 PM UTC

Ford Motor Co. said full-year earnings would be at the low end of its forecast as the carmaker struggles to cut costs and overhaul its electric vehicle strategy in the face of slowing EV demand.

Adjusted earnings before interest and taxes this year will be about $10 billion, down from a previous outlook for as much as $12 billion, the company said Monday. Analysts had expected $10.6 billion.

Excluding some items, profit in the third quarter was 49 cents a share, matching the average of analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg.

Ford’s shares fell 4.6% as of 4:29 p.m. after regular trading in New York, on pace to extend this year’s 7% slump.

The lower full-year target comes as Ford said it lost $1.2 billion in its electric vehicle business in the third quarter, which it said is facing pricing pressure. Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley has said the EV unit is “the main drag on the whole company.” Ford’s cross-town rival General Motors Co. last week raised its 2024 profit projection for the third time this year.

In July, Ford’s shares went into a tailspin after the automaker reported a surge in warranty costs that caused it to fall short of profit estimates. Ford said it reduced warranty expenses in the third quarter, while benefiting from higher pricing on its vehicles.

Farley has taken drastic action to remedy the repair woes, even forgoing near-term profit by holding thousands of new models in parking lots around Detroit for extra quality checks.

Ford is also is scaling back its EV investments as mainstream buyers balk at pricey battery powered models and fret about a spotty charging infrastructure. In August, Farley pulled the plug on an electric three-row sport utility vehicle the company had in the works.

Its pretty much obvious - they're failing for the same reason they failed over 100 years ago. They might be able to find a niche market this time around if they'd dump the bullshit "technology" and make one that is actually affordable. An EV makes sense for my usage model, but I'm not buying that crap.
 
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I don't want them to "dump" it, just make it configurable like it should be. I should be able to order a car the way I want it like my dad did. Funny thing is with the tech we actually have, it should be incredibly easy for me to order options off an internet build sheet and have the car built and delivered in 2-4 weeks.
The technology and infrastructure to do this is in place now, just not the will to implement it. Guess there isn't a big enough demand signal for it yet.
Zorba can order his Model-T in black and I can buy my kid a tech package with 611 airbags and a text message to me if she leaves the geofence I've set up.
They could both come off the same assembly line and be priced competitively with almost zero additional build cost. There would be some inventory and design impacts, but nothing insurmountable.
I would like to see ALL the subsidies dry up. Funny, even though I'm actually in the market for an EV (well, I WAS in the market till the job offer in Sicily), I don't support subsidies at all. The market will field a viable alternative to the ICE when it's ready to and it will be cost competitive. Until then, quit wasting my tax dollars to push your agenda!
I did drive the Chevy Bolt EUV, it's pretty bare bones (for today's market), has good reliability ratings and is right in the sweet spot for viability and cost for me. I would be commuting in one today if I wasn't planning on continent hopping next year.
 
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I don't want them to "dump" it, just make it configurable like it should be. I should be able to order a car the way I want it like my dad did. Funny thing is with the tech we actually have, it should be incredibly easy for me to order options off an internet build sheet and have the car built and delivered in 2-4 weeks.
The technology and infrastructure to do this is in place now, just not the will to implement it. Guess there isn't a big enough demand signal for it yet.
Zorba can order his Model-T in black and I can buy my kid a tech package with 611 airbags and a text message to me if she leaves the geofence I've set up.
I've been saying this for literally decades now. Everyone tells me "oh, that would be too hard to implement." - BULLSHIT. The computer company I worked for back in the 80s and early 90s had a home rolled CAM system. Everything was driven off the barcode that was on the product. From the mostly automated assembly - the barcode told the machine what to install and how to configure it - to the test department where the barcode told my test software what it was, and how it was configured, so it would automatically be tested. This was 35 years ago. There are commercial packages now.

The fact of the matter is simple GREED. Its just like another failing industry, Cable TV, that is drying up because of their package mentality. People - like my wife - streams what she wants, and only pays for what she wants. I think she pays about $25/mo. The CarCos have learned from the CableCos, and are getting away with it for now - partly because Americans are effete, but largely because they have no incentive to do otherwise.

Around here somewhere, I have the original order my dad placed for a certain '63 GMC where everything was called out by LINE ITEM. As you say, the way it should be.
 
Around here somewhere, I have the original order my dad placed for a certain '63 GMC where everything was called out by LINE ITEM. As you say, the way it should be.
Yeah, my dad ordered his '70 Country Squire station wagon the same way. It was kinda cool, we went to Michigan??? I think, and picked it up off the assembly line.
They had a little reception room and gave him a plaque and everything. Rode about half a million miles in the jump seat of that car.
 
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I would like to see ALL the subsidies dry up. Funny, even though I'm actually in the market for an EV (well, I WAS in the market till the job offer in Sicily), I don't support subsidies at all. The market will field a viable alternative to the ICE when it's ready to and it will be cost competitive. Until then, quit wasting my tax dollars to push your agenda!

^^ THIS ^^ ! , Thanks Mhass.
 
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For anyone looking to get in cheap on an EV, now's your chance... :sneaky:

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I would like to see ALL the subsidies dry up. Funny, even though I'm actually in the market for an EV (well, I WAS in the market till the job offer in Sicily), I don't support subsidies at all. The market will field a viable alternative to the ICE when it's ready to and it will be cost competitive. Until then, quit wasting my tax dollars to push your agenda!

Same here, but by "ALL the subsidies", I'm referring to those for all energy sectors, particularly O&G... dropping direct and indirect subsidies would help us get as reasonably close to a "free market" as late-stage capitalism would allow.
 
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I've been saying this for literally decades now. Everyone tells me "oh, that would be too hard to implement." - BULLSHIT. The computer company I worked for back in the 80s and early 90s had a home rolled CAM system. Everything was driven off the barcode that was on the product. From the mostly automated assembly - the barcode told the machine what to install and how to configure it - to the test department where the barcode told my test software what it was, and how it was configured, so it would automatically be tested. This was 35 years ago. There are commercial packages now.

The fact of the matter is simple GREED. Its just like another failing industry, Cable TV, that is drying up because of their package mentality. People - like my wife - streams what she wants, and only pays for what she wants. I think she pays about $25/mo. The CarCos have learned from the CableCos, and are getting away with it for now - partly because Americans are effete, but largely because they have no incentive to do otherwise.

Around here somewhere, I have the original order my dad placed for a certain '63 GMC where everything was called out by LINE ITEM. As you say, the way it should be.

You can call it that and use all the capital letters you want, but it's simple economics. Just because the systems and tech exists to sell and build it that way doesn't mean it's free. It still takes humans to build the data and that's added cost to the development phase without a likely return because let's face it, our echo chamber of dudes that like to spend their time maintaining quarter century old Jeeps and remember line item ordering isn't the target market for one single vehicle made in 2024.
 
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You can call it that and use all the capital letters you want, but it's simple economics. Just because the systems and tech exists to sell and build it that way doesn't mean it's free. It still takes humans to build the data and that's added cost to the development phase without a likely return because let's face it, our echo chamber of dudes that like to spend their time maintaining quarter century old Jeeps and remember line item ordering isn't the target market for one single vehicle made in 2024.

I've heard that BS before - and I'm afraid I don't agree with it. Its not a reason, its an excuse. The damn things are completely built with CAM systems now, it would take very little effort to make line item ordering a thing - they just don't want to because they make more money selling expensive crap to every one. We were doing line item builds in the 80s, I helped with the CAM side of things, although that wasn't my main job.
 
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I've heard that BS before - and I'm afraid I don't agree with it. Its not a reason, its an excuse. The damn things are completely built with CAM systems now, it would take very little effort to make line item ordering a thing - they just don't want to because they make more money selling expensive crap to every one. We were doing line item builds in the 80s, I helped with the CAM side of things, although that wasn't my main job.

You're still talking about building the car. I'm talking about building the data that the CAM uses to build the car, before the first unit hits the assembly line. It's still humans doing that stuff. The computer doesn't know which part to use with which option until a human puts it into a table. Do you think all it takes to produce a manufacturable car model is to draw it up in ProE?
 
I would like to see ALL the subsidies dry up. Funny, even though I'm actually in the market for an EV (well, I WAS in the market till the job offer in Sicily), I don't support subsidies at all. The market will field a viable alternative to the ICE when it's ready to and it will be cost competitive. Until then, quit wasting my tax dollars to push your agenda!

^^ THIS ^^ ! , Thanks Mhass.

According to my interpretation of the articles Apparition posted at the top of this page (the author was a bit cryptic), the European subsidies are drying up (and I agree - that's a very good thing):

Peers including Volkswagen AG and Stellantis NV have issued profit warnings in recent months, citing the broad slowdown in vehicle sales and governments pulling support for EV purchases.

And it's proving a lot of us were right. The market is not even close to ready for EVs just yet. The range and recharge time is still not where it needs to be, despite some progress (that's impressed me) being made, but more importantly, the lack of charging stations is a huge hurdle. Then there are the surprises like the freak snow storms recently that crippled EVs.

Last year, driving from Wisconsin back to Texas on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, when we hit the Texas state line Saturday evening, every single gas station on I-35 had lines at the pumps due to the sheer volume of people travelling on the busiest weekend of the year. It was bumper-to-bumper traffic for 200+ miles! How messed up would that look if all the cars were EVs with the current charging station density?

It amazes me how desperate the executive management teams at the auto manufacturers were to "keep up with the Musks." My thoughts were that the company that stayed the course and made a solid, dependable plain-old car or truck with an ICE in it would have been like the tortoise in the old fable. However, all the hoopla and brain-washing of the general public by the government, the climate change hardliners, and the complicit "journalists" made it a very hard decision for those executives. To be successful with the plain-old vehicle plan would require a lot of advertising to re-program the public. Who wants to tackle that behemoth?

Now y'all got me revved up. The world we live in is so completely backwards. Common sense should be on the endangered species list...
 
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