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I added a Fox steering stabilizer so you didn't have to

jdshep1

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Why would I want this device as opposed to a properly functioning steering system?
First, at this time we do not want to sell you the product, Roadmaster might, we want to test, and we want testers now. We invented and designed this, Tony is the person in the world with the most experience with EC jeep and RV. He is my grandson.
The simple answer is we can take very good steering and make it better. We can give you a firm noticeable center feel a firm return to center. We can get rid of the hunting, wandering many jeeps have. We can just about cancel the wind on the interstate. Jeep drivers like all drivers that do not brace oversteer for the wind, since your wheels cease to the caster when hit by side winds overcorrecting goes away. We have done this on 40000 lb RV's the device was invented because my first Diesel Pusher was very dangerous in high side winds. My current 31 ft Super C has been tamed with a 240 lb EC. My Prior 31000 lb Super C on a Freightliner M-2 chassis took 330 lbs to make the wind go away. This year 22 on the method and year 5 on Jeep We are looking for TJ owners near us to give them a chance to do some tests at no cost. We are in Gaylord Upper Lower Michigan. By the end of the next two weeks, there will be something like 40-50 JL owners who will have installed units and done testing for themselves or for us. They include bone stock and mods with 40"s and one-ton axle. We are learning a lot and there is plenty of information and comments. We have no claim to Fix DW and when we are at our lowest pressure we discourage anyone that has DW not to trying our device. On JL we are installing 110 140 160 and 180 lb. We are still learning. We have done TJ, MJ.Jk, JL. Lately, we have had a lot going on JL I have a 2021 JLUR 392 XR we have tested 6 pressures on it, I assure you we have made it much better than stock, we are talking premium SUV better.
For now, we do not want to sell TJ owners anything, but we do want some TJ and JK testers. We do want to know what your MoDs are and what your issues are. email [email protected] or call 1-989-448-2501 Tony has a 2003 TJ we just installed a PIWcorp bracket and EC on.
 

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Been running the Currylync steering for the last few months without a steering stabilizer with no issues. Would investing in a nice steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 really make a significant improvement on how it handles on road?
 

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Been running the Currylync steering for the last few months without a steering stabilizer with no issues. Would investing in a nice steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 really make a significant improvement on how it handles on road?
Significant improvement in handling? Probably not. Noticeable dampening of bumps that transfer through the steering wheel? Yes.
 
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Been running the Currylync steering for the last few months without a steering stabilizer with no issues. Would investing in a nice steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 really make a significant improvement on how it handles on road?
Same setup here.

Significant improvement in handling? Probably not. Noticeable dampening of bumps that transfer through the steering wheel? Yes.

Will the addition of a SS make the steering wheel feel "heavier"?
 

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Been running the Currylync steering for the last few months without a steering stabilizer with no issues. Would investing in a nice steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 really make a significant improvement on how it handles on road?
Same setup here.



Will the addition of a SS make the steering wheel feel "heavier"?
The one and only job of a steering stabilizer is to dampen abrupt movement in the steering cycle.. Traditionally it is NOT meant to be a steering centering device, nor designed to stop vehicle wandering. Those 2 functions are provided by correct alignment and unworn parts.

@AidenC
Unfortunately I can't answer your question directly because I have never used the Fox 2.0 setup. What you might notice is less of a jerky feeling to the steering while driving on rough roads/hitting larger bumps.

@Kon
It's unlikely that you'll have a perceptible difference in steering effort with a good steering stabilizer.
 

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The one and only job of a steering stabilizer is to dampen abrupt movement in the steering cycle.. Traditionally it is NOT meant to be a steering centering device, nor designed to stop vehicle wandering. Those 2 functions are provided by correct alignment and unworn parts.

It's unlikely that you'll have a perceptible difference in steering effort with a good steering stabilizer.
Well, that’s what I though. I would like though to have a bit more stuff/heavy feeling on the steering wheel and got hooked by the 1st post of this tread that was mentioning that.

Btw, my other vehicle is a 2003 WJ that has an almost identical steering system as the TJ, however much heavier feeling on the steering wheel. Do you know to which components this difference is attributed?
 

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Will the addition of a SS make the steering wheel feel "heavier"?
My stock replacement Monroe gave it a little bit of a heavier feel, albeit a very small amount. It was perceivable though…

My Fox absolutely gives my steering a heavier feel. I much prefer the way it feels now over how it ever has felt in the past…

I have stated this before. My Fox doesn’t cause my steering to push in any direction. Doesn’t matter if it’s around town or 65 mph down the highway. I’m not saying the design is ideal. It shouldn’t be biased in either direction. I think they must have stopped putting so much pressure in the stabilizers and now they don’t overcome the steering?
 
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My stock replacement Monroe gave it a little bit of a heavier feel, albeit a very small amount. It was perceivable though…

My Fox absolutely gives my steering a heavier feel. I much prefer the way it feels now over how it ever has felt in the past…

I have stated this before. My Fox doesn’t cause my steering to push in any direction. Doesn’t matter if it’s around town or 65 mph down the highway. I’m not saying the design is ideal. It shouldn’t be biased in either direction. I think they must have stopped putting so much pressure in the stabilizers and now they don’t overcome the steering?
Ok I see. I currently have an OME SS with a Currie HD steering system. I would like to have that heavier steering wheel feeling that the WJ has. Now I'm curious to see the difference a Fox SS would have but can't really justify the $$ since the OME is pretty new.

Btw, my other vehicle is a 2003 WJ that has an almost identical steering system as the TJ, however much heavier feeling on the steering wheel. Do you know to which components this difference is attributed?
Do you know btw what could cause the significant difference between the TJ and WJ re the steering wheel feeling? Could be the overall weight of the vehicle?

I have never driven a pickup truck and actually the WJ is the heaviest vehicle I have ever driven so I have nothing to compare it to. This is Europe where hatchbacks are as common as trucks in the US. ;)
 

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Do you know btw what could cause the significant difference between the TJ and WJ re the steering wheel feeling? Could be the overall weight of the vehicle?
It could have something to do with vehicle weight, but most likely that’s not a large factor. It could be the specific steering arrangement to the vehicle. Probably has a lot to do with the steering geometry and what they crafted into that specific steering gear. They may very well have intended for it to have that exact steering wheel “feel”. Grand Cherokees even had rack & pinion steering starting in 2005. Your 2003 WJ is in between the TJ style steering (up to 1998 on the WJ) and the newer rack & pinion steering. I wish I knew enough to give you a better answer…
 

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It could have something to do with vehicle weight, but most likely that’s not a large factor. It could be the specific steering arrangement to the vehicle. Probably has a lot to do with the steering geometry and what they crafted into that specific steering gear. They may very well have intended for it to have that exact steering wheel “feel”. Grand Cherokees even had rack & pinion steering starting in 2005. Your 2003 WJ is in between the TJ style steering (up to 1998 on the WJ) and the newer rack & pinion steering. I wish I knew enough to give you a better answer…
Thanks!

So bottom line I get that each steering system (even similar ones like TJ’s and WJ’s) has been setup in a retain way that reflects to the steering wheel feeling.

I guess the only way to make the TJ’s steering feel heavier is try a stiffer SS like the fox one.
 

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Well, that’s what I though. I would like though to have a bit more stuff/heavy feeling on the steering wheel and got hooked by the 1st post of this tread that was mentioning that.

Btw, my other vehicle is a 2003 WJ that has an almost identical steering system as the TJ, however much heavier feeling on the steering wheel. Do you know to which components this difference is attributed?
WJ doesn't have the same steering as a TJ.

WJ uses a cross over system. Tie rod is connected to both knuckles.

TJ uses a Haltenberger system.
 

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WJ doesn't have the same steering as a TJ.

WJ uses a cross over system. Tie rod is connected to both knuckles.

TJ uses a Haltenberger system.
Yes I know. But it’s similar in many ways when compared to the various vehicles, the majority of which don’t have a live axle on front.

To add to that, I have driven JKs (that have the same steering system as the WJ) and the steering wheel feeling is Ike the TJ, not like the WJ. So it must be sometime else that makes the difference I guess…
 

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Been running the Currylync steering for the last few months without a steering stabilizer with no issues. Would investing in a nice steering stabilizer like the fox 2.0 really make a significant improvement on how it handles on road?
I put a fox 2.0 on my LJ, the pressure in the stabilizer caused it to drift or pull to the left. I took it off and returned it. I installed a stock replacement stabilizer and have been using it for a few years now. If I encounter DW, I check and fix the problem.
 
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