I broke it

It was Andy's Jeep, not sure the 10 factory axles are tough so I have heard.

Where he was going up the rock was steeper than it looks and I figured his tires were spinning and the left got traction and that's when the axle broke.

You really didn't have to explain anything after that, we understand.

Also, with the way his Jeep has been treating him, I would say this is the duck @AndyG should get....

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It was Andy's Jeep, not sure the 10 factory axles are tough so I have heard.

Where he was going up the rock was steeper than it looks and I figured his tires were spinning and the left got traction and that's when the axle broke.

Yea man, I'm with you on the camera not appreciating much of the wheeling angles we do.

That said, a quality axle doesn't break on that terrain, especially in the manner Andy said he was driving it. Otherwise, we'd need a stack of spare chromoly axles with us in order to complete trails in places like Elvis, Terminator, or Moab.

Connecting after wheel spin happens on obstacles all the time.

I've heard and read stories about axles breaking from Alloy USA, Ten Factory, and Carbon Offroad. I was lucky to learn about R&G being the better way to go before I made my purchase.

Borrowed screenshot:

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At least this time he made it to the trail before it broke.🥳
TEN Year Replacement Warranty:
  • The name “TEN Factory” reflects their commitment to quality. It stands for the TEN-year replacement warranty on their axle shafts.
 
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At least this time he made it to the trail before it broke.🥳
TEN Year Replacement Warranty:
  • The name “TEN Factory” reflects their commitment to quality. It stands for the TEN-year replacement warranty on their axle shafts.

I thought it meant "good for ten minutes into the trail"

Would you rather have a lifetime warranty of unreliable product, e.g., Autozone quality, or something proven that won't leave you stranded on the trail when casually climbing at an incline?

Mopar stuff many times comes with a one year warranty, yet we push that over the lifetime Autozone stuff and we don't consider the AZ warranty policy to mean that AZ is committed to quality.

It's many times a business decision to offer a warranty on cheaper parts, especially when the seller is banking on most customers not putting them to work.

And what about that warranty when his businesses keep getting sold? We know they should still be valid, yet, I read on Pirate where USA alloy customers who were waiting on replacements were out of luck...unless they wanted to litigate it (great). Yet, they were praising Ron for trying to ask new management about it. 😆 gtfoh
 
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It's pretty messed up that the seller took your hard earned money and in turn gave you an axle that was weaker than stock. No way should you have snapped an axle doing what you were doing...especially when it was wet. That's similar or worse than having a Dana 35 out there.

Good news is that you made it off the trail and got it home.

I agree... Some of the abuse I put my OE shafts through when my skills and build provided for less finesse gives me the feeling that a chromo rear shaft should be basically bullet proof within the range of appropriate tire sizes.
 
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Yea man, I'm with you on the camera not appreciating much of the wheeling angles we do.

That said, a quality axle doesn't break on that terrain, especially in the manner Andy said he was driving it. Otherwise, we'd need a stack of spare chromoly axles with us in order to complete trails in places like Elvis, Terminator, or Moab.

Connecting after wheel spin happens on obstacles all the time.

I've heard and read stories about axles breaking from Alloy USA, Ten Factory, and Carbon Offroad. I was lucky to learn about R&G being the better way to go before I made my purchase.

Borrowed screenshot:

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Having no experience with their products or prior knowledge of their history, Ten factory and alloy USA always sounded like the meaningless nonsense chinesium brand names I see on Amazon.
 
Great,guess I should have used stock shafts instead of alloy usa

I'd like to think current ownership has the warranty stuff squared away by now since that was years ago.

The point is that warranties aren't necessarily guaranteed, especially if the person providing them doesn't stick around.
 
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Having no experience with their products or prior knowledge of their history, Ten factory and alloy USA always sounded like the meaningless nonsense chinesium brand names I see on Amazon.

Lol, I never considered that his pace for selling companies & starting again (on repeat) was amateur hour compared to the Chinese.

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I'd like to think current ownership has that stuff squared away by now since that was years ago.

The point is that warranties aren't necessarily guaranteed, especially if the person providing them doesn't stick around.

The part that bothers me is having shafts weaker than stock as an "upgrade". warranties are useless at that point since I refuse to do autozone style rinse and repeat for something as important as an axleshaft
 
The part that bothers me is having shafts weaker than stock as an "upgrade". warranties are useless at that point since I refuse to do autozone style rinse and repeat for something as important as an axleshaft

Exactly.

I told Andy that it's like upgrading to a beadlock wheel that loses the bead easier than a non-beadlock wheel. :unsure:
 
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Yea man, I'm with you on the camera not appreciating much of the wheeling angles we do.

That said, a quality axle doesn't break on that terrain, especially in the manner Andy said he was driving it. Otherwise, we'd need a stack of spare chromoly axles with us in order to complete trails in places like Elvis, Terminator, or Moab.

Connecting after wheel spin happens on obstacles all the time.

I've heard and read stories about axles breaking from Alloy USA, Ten Factory, and Carbon Offroad. I was lucky to learn about R&G being the better way to go before I made my purchase.

Borrowed screenshot:

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Exactly-

Here’s the deal-

I would have been surprised if a non-Rubicon axle broken in that situation.

I was on damp rocks, Just repositioning the jeep in order to climb. Kapow.

Now- Could I have previously damaged the axle? Maybe so.

Here is what companies can do:

You can spend less on the product by importing and take the extra profit and quickly and gladly make everything up-

Or you can put the money into product quality and then get to keep what is left with minimal warranty liability.

I think the former is more likely with 10 Factory.

My company is simply another variation of a manufacturer.

I give a great warranty- If you ever have a problem with something we did let me know and we will do our best to make it right- And if we made a mistake we will always do the right thing.

At the same time I have minimal exposure because I insist on doing things well to begin with.

That’s my personal choice and my application of my values into my business.

As of right now I am only thinking of Revolution for the next set.

I’ll get these warranted and use as a “ get home” set.
 
Exactly-

Here’s the deal-

I would have been surprised if a non-Rubicon axle broken in that situation.

I was on damp rocks, Just repositioning the jeep in order to climb. Kapow.

Now- Could I have previously damaged the axle? Maybe so.

Here is what companies can do:

You can spend less on the product by importing and take the extra profit and quickly and gladly make everything up-

Or you can put the money into product quality and then get to keep what is left with minimal warranty liability.

I think the former is more likely with 10 Factory.

My company is simply another variation of a manufacturer.

I give a great warranty- If you ever have a problem with something we did let me know and we will do our best to make it right- And if we made a mistake we will always do the right thing.

At the same time I have minimal exposure because I insist on doing things well to begin with.

That’s my personal choice and my application of my values into my business.

As of right now I am only thinking of Revolution for the next set.

I’ll get these warranted and use as a “ get home” set.

Well, you'll obviously never make a good politician... 🤪