Is it finally time to accept JK owners?!

Jamison C

Heil Savvy 🙋‍♂️
Supporting Member
Ride of the Month Winner
Joined
Sep 1, 2018
Messages
3,401
Location
Sedona, AZ
*DISCLAIMER* On the forum I swiped this from it was plainly obvious some members have no idea what this thing called "humor" is. If you are unsure of what that means, please turn back now.

I saw this on another forum and oh my Lord this had me laughing :qmeparto:

A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)

Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the shitty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.

CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.



Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:

The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.

These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”

Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:

"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."

So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.”
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.

Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:

Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:

Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.

Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.

Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!

Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:

Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.

“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end partssupplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”

See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?

Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:

These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.

Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*

* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.

By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.

Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:

This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.

NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:

“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”

Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner.
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.

I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.

Which is what we all want… right?

That concludes today’s tutorial.
 
This is classic. And true. (I have to admit to having looked at the new JL, on the lot, twice now) But no red two door JLRs with manual transmissions yet. Plus half doors won't be available for another year, probably. Sigh...
 
Oh yeah, someone posted this a few months back.

As long as they have 4-doors, I won't accept them as a Wrangler... I almost did, once upon a time, but then I came to my senses! :risas3:
Heresy!

This is classic. And true. (I have to admit to having looked at the new JL, on the lot, twice now) But no red two door JLRs with manual transmissions yet. Plus half doors won't be available for another year, probably. Sigh...
I was talking with a gentleman where I live who was finally able to get one. He’s been waiting on a Rubicon Unlimited for months but the demand in AZ is too high to keep up with it. Had to get it shipped from Ohio or something like that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chris and StG58
Toledo started to put way too many doors in 2007.
Not acceptable to the clan.
And too many buttons! Like power locks? Who locks their jeep?? Oh wait, JK owners ;) Half the time I leave the keys in the ignition lol
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Jamesval035
This is how much plastic they put in JK, it's insane!

th?id=OIP.3S7792_tFXvvFuuaOvdb5QHaFj&pid=15.jpg


th?id=OIP.Dh4VqVGX_hfLzT4mTcGDaAHaHa&pid=15.jpg
 
I agree, the JKU was probably one of the best marketing moves Jeep ever made. I browse CL a lot just to see what’s out there and too many times I see “have no room for kids anymore.” But with the JKU I see families of 4-5 cruise around town and the highways with the top off having a blast. And yeah maybe it’s never seen a dirt road in it’s life, but those kids will always remember the fun they had in the Jeep and carry on the legacy by purchasing one of their own someday.
 
Honestly those fenders are probably the reason why I hate the way they look. When people go with the aftermarket flat TJ style I think they look sooooo much better.


I agree, the JKU was probably one of the best marketing moves Jeep ever made. I browse CL a lot just to see what’s out there and too many times I see “have no room for kids anymore.” But with the JKU I see families of 4-5 cruise around town and the highways with the top off having a blast. And yeah maybe it’s never seen a dirt road in it’s life, but those kids will always remember the fun they had in the Jeep and carry on the legacy by purchasing one of their own someday.
I hate to look when they do this.
th?id=OIP.8g2OmOHS_e5n39_Xn-qrPAHaFh&pid=15.jpg
 
And too many buttons! Like power locks? Who locks their jeep?? Oh wait, JK owners ;) Half the time I leave the keys in the ignition lol

how does that even work with removable doors, are there wires to disconnect? I'm so confused, and out of the loop, maybe that's why I drive the lawn tractor
 
They have an "app" for that.
how does that even work with removable doors, are there wires to disconnect? I'm so confused, and out of the loop, maybe that's why I drive the lawn tractor
Yeah I believe some of the higher end ones have a quick disconnect harness for power windows and locks if you want to remove the doors.
 
I had a 79 CJ-7 when the YJ came out, and I thought how horrible they were with the rectangular headlights, those aren't reall Jeeps, then I was out of the Jeep loop for awhile, But I saw the TJ's with their coil springs, and I thought why would you make a Jeep without leaf springs.

Now that I'm in the TJ family, I kind like the ride of the coils, and the flex is way more than my old CJ could have ever thought of. My 15 year old is convinced he would never drive a 4 door JK/JL, but I told him when he has a wife and kids, and the choice is a JL, or a mini van I'd go with the JL.

Things evolve and we like to talk about the good ol days, but my TJ is probably more capable than my CJ, but is definatley doesn't sound as good as that old 304.

image.jpeg


image.jpeg
 
This is awesome .


.I was thinking this weekend , are we really mad because they have power windows , heated seats , etc...or just mad because we don't .

I think the post points out a common behavior , the new improved model is always worse.

I don't see this anywhere as strongly as I do with Jeeps -why? I think it's the financial and emotional investment we make to set them up like we do ....which is odd . The new isn't good , and stock isn't good enough either .

The only constant is change .

If they don't sell vehicles , the Jeep Brand dies .

Jeep will continue to evolve .

Will it gradually lose it's rugged character ...I hate to say it , but yes , it will to some extent . Already has .

Keep in mind , this is the same company that made a grand wagoneer..basically a 4 wheel drive Lincoln Town car.

They have found a more refined , passenger friendly , more stable , safer feeling vehicle attracts more buyers .

I also remember when you were frowned on for having an "unsafe" cj-5 due to roll over occurrences .

Progress is typically good , and almost always unstoppable.




.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Starrs and psrivats
My
This is awesome .


.I was thinking this weekend , are we really mad because they have power windows , heated seats , etc...or just mad because we don't .

I think the post points out a common behavior , the new improved model is always worse.

I don't see this anywhere as strongly as I do with Jeeps -why? I think it's the financial and emotional investment we make to set them up like we do ....which is odd . The new isn't good , and stock isn't good enough either .

The only constant is change .

If they don't sell vehicles , the Jeep Brand dies .

Jeep will continue to evolve .

Will it gradually lose it's rugged character ...I hate to say it , but yes , it will to some extent . Already has .

Keep in mind , this is the same company that made a grand wagoneer..basically a 4 wheel drive Lincoln Town car.

They have found a more refined , passenger friendly , more stable , safer feeling vehicle attracts more buyers .

I also remember when you were frowned on for having an "unsafe" cj-5 due to roll over occurrences .

Progress is typically good , and almost always unstoppable.

.

My grandma’s next door neighbor has a Renegade CJ-7. He told me when the CJ-7s came out everyone had a fit over the change from the curve in the rear of the doors to the straight-down style we all have now. Yet here we are today rolling out a new line. I mean hell, Jeep sold nearly one million TJs, and probably way more JKs.

In short, Jeep knows what they’re doing to keep everyone happy.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AndyG