Is Rock Hard 4x4 rear tire carrier / bumper still the overall recommendation?

Order yourself 3 new spare tire bumpers. You'll need to cut them down and extend the stock ones so that they still contact the tire. IIRC, Quadratec has them for about $8 each.

Mine isn't using spacers. Only the factory rubber snubbers. The spare is pulled tight into the hinges. 35x12.5" with 4" backspacing.
 
There comes a point where the spare is best left on the trailer.

I disagree. For me personally, I run with the 40 back there and deal with the drawbacks. I’d definitely prefer to run without a spare, and instead rely on a repair kit, but I’ve had a few flats over the years, and every single one was an unrepairable cut sidewall. In a smaller park, wheeling with another rig, I’d leave the spare on the trailer. Out west, I’d rather have it with me, as I never want to be that guy.

That having been said, I’ve often considered what it would actually mean to run without a spare. Are the current large patch kits effective enough to patch a large cut? Since I run beadlocks, it would certainly be possible to gain access to the inside of the tire in the case of a cut.

Whatcha think?
 
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I disagree. For me personally, I run with the 40 back there and deal with the drawbacks. I’d definitely prefer to run without a spare, and instead rely on a repair kit, but I’ve had a few flats over the years, and every single one was an unrepairable cut sidewall. In a smaller park, wheeling with another rig, I’d leave the spare on the trailer. Out west, I’d rather have it with me, as I never want to be that guy.

That having been said, I’ve often considered what it would actually mean to run without a spare. Are the current large patch kits effective enough to patch a large cut? Since I run beadlocks, it would certainly be possible to gain access to the inside of the tire in the case of a cut.

Whatcha think?

I carry one of these kits due to multiple sidewall tears. I have yet to try it.

 
Interesting. Mine didn't.

As of 5-6 years ago, mine came with three hard plastic pucks along with both longer SAE and metric hex key bolts for the factory snubbers. The only way I would be able to use them is if I also used the tire mount extension brackets, which I purposely avoided.
 
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I disagree. For me personally, I run with the 40 back there and deal with the drawbacks. I’d definitely prefer to run without a spare, and instead rely on a repair kit, but I’ve had a few flats over the years, and every single one was an unrepairable cut sidewall. In a smaller park, wheeling with another rig, I’d leave the spare on the trailer. Out west, I’d rather have it with me, as I never want to be that guy.

That having been said, I’ve often considered what it would actually mean to run without a spare. Are the current large patch kits effective enough to patch a large cut? Since I run beadlocks, it would certainly be possible to gain access to the inside of the tire in the case of a cut.

Whatcha think?

Patch kit to patch the sidewall and a innertube. they don't take up much space and can get you off the trail. Obviously not for flying down the freeway but can be a fix.

I've got to get a new innertube to carry. And some new patches since I'm sure mine are all too old.
 
I disagree. For me personally, I run with the 40 back there and deal with the drawbacks. I’d definitely prefer to run without a spare, and instead rely on a repair kit, but I’ve had a few flats over the years, and every single one was an unrepairable cut sidewall. In a smaller park, wheeling with another rig, I’d leave the spare on the trailer. Out west, I’d rather have it with me, as I never want to be that guy.

That having been said, I’ve often considered what it would actually mean to run without a spare. Are the current large patch kits effective enough to patch a large cut? Since I run beadlocks, it would certainly be possible to gain access to the inside of the tire in the case of a cut.

Whatcha think?

Much of that would depend on the extent the physical bulk and the weight of a 40" spare hanging off the back is or isn't a performance hindrance to the wheeling being done.

All I know for certain is where my instincts and sensabilities have evolved in recent years where I have been making a concerted effort to reduce both weight and the physical profile of the Jeep. My concurrent interest of staying at 35s allows me to eventually put the spare in the bed, which happens to have value in giving the shocks some weight to react against. Along with centralizing the vehicle weight to between the axles

With regard to tire cuts and punctures, I carry both plugs and patches. Though, I have not had to use either on the trails. I don't yet have a clear plan on how I might deal with a tire slice in conjunction with the Coyote internal beadlocks.

I did pick up a nail on the street recently that I will be using an internal patch on. So, I will be applying that with a mind towards a possible trail patch without tire levers. We shall see.
 
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Depending on how hard you wheel, outside the tub may just not be an option (much less a swing out carrier). Mine kept digging in the dirt and rocks and bending up my tailgate corners. Granted, my LJ is longer with a worse departure angle.
 
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Much of that would depend on the extent the physical bulk and the weight of a 40" spare hanging off the back is or isn't a performance hindrance to the wheeling being done.

All I know for certain is where my instincts and sensabilities have evolved in recent years where I have been making a concerted effort to reduce both weight and the physical profile of the Jeep. My concurrent interest of staying at 35s allows me to eventually put the spare in the bed, which happens to have value in giving the shocks some weight to react against. Along with centralizing the vehicle weight to between the axles

With regard to tire cuts and punctures, I carry both plugs and patches. Though, I have not had to use either in the trails. I don't yet have a clear plan on how I might deal with a tire slice in conjunction with the Coyote internal beadlocks.

I did pick up a nail on the street recently that I will be using an internal patch on. So, I will be applying that with a mind towards a possible trail patch without tire levers. We shall see.

small saw and ratchet straps don't take up much space. Just as long as you're in the woods...

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Has anyone measured the clearance at the lowest point of their spare tire?

It'd be interesting to see some numbers with the varying carriers and tire sizes.
 
Depending on how hard you wheel, outside the tub may just not be an option (much less a swing out carrier). Mine kept digging in the dirt and rocks and bending up my tailgate corners. Granted, my LJ is longer with a worse departure angle.

All of that, plus it adds to the overall profile of the jeep. Probably the biggest benefit I got removing mine was being able to backup farther, whether in between trees, or in downtown Seattle.
 
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Has anyone measured the clearance at the lowest point of their spare tire?

It'd be interesting to see some numbers with the varying carriers and tire sizes.

Mine sits just above the bottom of the body. 35" tire with a stock spare tire mount modified to sit an inch higher on the gate. That is going to be the only useful point of reference in a measuring contest with a whole bunch of variables.

The distance from the ground is whatever the same size tire creates along with a 4" spring lift plus a 1.25" body lift.

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The tire is also pulled tight against the hinges, meaning it only extends out the width of the tire plus the thickness of the hinges.
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Mine sits just above the bottom of the body. 35" tire with a stock spare tire mount modified to sit an inch higher on the gate. That is going to be the only useful point of reference in a measuring contest with a whole bunch of variables.

The distance from the ground is whatever the same size tire creates along with a 4" spring lift plus a 1.25" body lift.

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The tire is also pulled tight against the hinges, meaning it only extends out the width of the tire plus the thickness of the hinges.
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I think some raw numbers would be interesting to see, if only to satisfy a curiousity. I for example have no clue the difference between your setup and @NashvilleTJs 40" on a full-custom tire carrier.





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When are you countersinking those bolts? I've seen this plate like 3 times now, and it just bothers me every time.
 
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When are you countersinking those bolts? I've seen this plate like 3 times now, and it just bothers me every time.

Already countersunk shortly after that pic was taken. The Sharpie marks should go away this weekend when they turn into more countersunk bolts and some lights.
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