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I am still trying to figure out exactly what they are trying or proposing to do. I have only found a two page Notice that mentions changing the motor vehicle use management plan. As far as I know this is a lawsuit brought against the USFS by the Wilderness Society, Quiet Use Coalition, Wildlands CPR, Center for Native Ecosystems and Great Old Broads for Wilderness. I am still trying to find the actual draft Impact Statement. All I can find so far though is a list of Alternatives:

A) The No-Action Alternative, as per settlement agreement language, would consist of the public motorized routes depicted on the following MVUMs minus 30 NFS routes/route segments identified in the settlement agreement, that are either already decommissioned or would be temporarily changed to administrative use only during the interim EIS process: •2010 Pikes Peak Ranger District MVUM •2010 South Park Ranger District MVUM •2010 Salida Ranger District MVUM •2012 Leadville Ranger District MVUM •2012 San Carlos Ranger District MVUM •2013 South Platte Ranger District MVUM

B) This Alternative would consist of the public motorized routes as they are currently recorded in the official Forest Service Infrastructure (INFRA) database, as of June 16, 2016, minus routes contested by the Plaintiffs and identified in the settlement agreement.

C) This Alternative would consitutue the routes as they are currently recorded in the official Forest Service INFRA database, as of June 16, 2016, plus certain revisions to those roads that were considered as urgent, priority changes, in conformance with the results of the PSI’s TAP Addendum Reports. Over the course of the last three years, PSI resource specialists conducted TAPs covering each ranger district. A TAP is a process whereby personnel representing key resource areas assign benefit and risk ratings to each road. The results of each TAP were compiled in a TAP Addendum Report. Urgent, priority changes may include, but would not be limited to: decommissioning and/or conversion of unneeded authorized routes, elimination of mixed use modes of travel on certain roads, seasonal closures, road/trail reroutes, construction of new motorized recreational trails and/or extensions to existing trails, downgrading of maintenance levels, and other such revisions necessary for the effective management of the NFS transportation network. The goal of this alternative would be to move toward a safe, affordable, and environmentally sound transportation system, while leaving room for future site-specific revisions as needed.

D) This Alternative would consist of all the Alternative C revisions, plus additional, non-urgent changes, which would direct the PSI toward the minimum NFS network needed for safe and efficient travel, and for administration, utilization, and protection of NFS lands per 36 CFR 212.5(b)(1). The additional changes would be made in accordance with the opportunities and recommendations provided in the TAP Addendum Reports for the individual districts on the PSI.

Just reading this, and not know what the impact statement says, C seems like the logical choice. However the Travel Analysis process, the way it is presented in the Alternative C, can still shut down and decommission the trail. That little tid-bit would likely need mentioned in any comments submitted.

I definitely want to comment and urge to keep the trail open, but I also want to get all the facts first.
 
The settlement agreement has some interesting bits. These two stuck out for me as I deal with the two on a daily basis for work (cell tower construction).

They claim the USFS violated the NEPA Process (National Environmental Policy Act) for designating roads without following the NEPA process. NEPA became a thing in 1970. I know Webster Pass (and more than likely, Red Cone), were created way back when (1800s probably?), when trying to get over the continental divide. They pre-date the NEPA law.

They also claim the USFS is violating the Endangered Species Act for the Prebles Jumping mouse and Mexican spotted owl. The preble's jumping mouse is only limited to riparian areas and adjacent to upland habitats. You would not find them at high elevations, where tundra is the main vegetation. Their habitat doesn't even occur in Park or Summit County. The Mexican Spotted Owl, in this part of the country, use real steep, rocky canyons as their habitat. Red Cone doesnt contain any canyonlands that recall.
 
Here comes the white stuff again. It's looking like a 4wd commute tomorrow...you know, for going through ditches to get around wrecks. Does anybody here stick a plow on their bumper?
 
Ordered new bearings for my ARB and ball joints last week from summit. I must have had someone who was eager to get out of the warehouse for thanksgiving because this is how it was shipped
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Howdy, all. Can anyone share any personal experiences with re-gears and locker work on the Front Range (I'm in Broomfield) or the Ark Valley (BV / Salida area)? Can anyone on the forum do them?

My go-to garage (not a 4X4 specialty shop, but they do good work) quoted me $1,600 for a re-gear. Does that seem at the upper end price-wise?
 
Howdy, all. Can anyone share any personal experiences with re-gears and locker work on the Front Range (I'm in Broomfield) or the Ark Valley (BV / Salida area)? Can anyone on the forum do them?

My go-to garage (not a 4X4 specialty shop, but they do good work) quoted me $1,600 for a re-gear. Does that seem at the upper end price-wise?

1600 sounds very reasonable for front and rear. I have used Edge Automotive in Sheridan/Englewood twice now for regearing. Both have been on the front axle. The first was a full on regear with an open carrier, IIRC they charged me $1k. The second time was for a rebuild on a different front axle. They charged me $500 but that also included setting up the ARB locker, new backlash, and pinion depth. Chris, the owner, told me they average about 10 regears a month. They use G2 gears if that means anything to you. I want to say their labor rate is $85 or $90 an hour.
 
Thank you both. I'll add Edge to the top of my list. I'm a little wary to go with my shop because I don't think they do them often.
 
Thank you both. I'll add Edge to the top of my list. I'm a little wary to go with my shop because I don't think they do them often.
Go with a shop that has the experience and knowledge.

One recommendation--avoid 4wheelparts. I know of two rigs that were regeared thru them and both times the shims between the carrier and housing had come out.
 
Go with a shop that has the experience and knowledge.

One recommendation--avoid 4wheelparts. I know of two rigs that were regeared thru them and both times the shims between the carrier and housing had come out.

There was another recent post about 4wp and how one of the guys lockers no longer worked after and were somehow excluded from any liability...
 
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There was another recent post about 4wp and how one of the guys lockers no longer worked after and were somehow excluded from any liability...
That's was me...their paperwork you sign is ridiculous. Will definitely not be going back there for anything that's extensive and may affect other components/systems. Aside from the locker issue, which is a huge aside, they have honored 2 warranty trips with no charges. I think they know factory Rubicon locker parts are for the most part inaccessible and don't want to be on the hook for a $1500-2000 locker bill.
 
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I had a similar experience with Northridge. We pulled the axle shafts for the caliper flip to facilitate the outboarding of the rear shocks and the shims fell out of the carrier.
 
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Howdy, all. Can anyone share any personal experiences with re-gears and locker work on the Front Range (I'm in Broomfield) or the Ark Valley (BV / Salida area)? Can anyone on the forum do them?

My go-to garage (not a 4X4 specialty shop, but they do good work) quoted me $1,600 for a re-gear. Does that seem at the upper end price-wise?

‘you might check Dusty Dog garage as well (http://www.dustydoggarage.com/). I don’t know what they charge, but can vouch for their work, and Dave and Mandy (the owners) are great to work with.
 
Little off topic...

How’s the weather looking out there? I’m supposed to get from Denver to Steamboat tomorrow. Heard there is a pretty big storm coming...
 
Little off topic...

How’s the weather looking out there? I’m supposed to get from Denver to Steamboat tomorrow. Heard there is a pretty big storm coming...

Today was pretty windy on the south side of Denver, which typically means something is blowing in. I think that’s Sunday though - so a Saturday drive should be doable. Of course, the weather in the high country changes pretty rapidly.
 
Weather In Denver is nice, the mountains are getting hit hard. If your heading to Steamboat have chains there may very well be passenger car traction laws in effect on rabbit ears pass. They are supposed to get 1-3 feet up that way by tomorrow
 
I’m going to be on a bus for my University’s ski trip. The TJ is staying in Chicago and I’m flying into Denver. We will see if all goes wrong tomorrow haha.
 
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