The thing you have to know about me is that I'm cheap (and you can take that any way you want...). I have yet to spend more than $17K on any vehicle I have ever owned, new or used. That's my frame of reference and I'm too old to want to change. I'll be driving my LJ until I die, then passing it on to my kids in my will, so I don't really have any desire to buy anything else, although I have no quarrel with the JL. Google "stick in the mud", you'll see my picture...Keep in mind you can get these in some states 8-10% under invoice. Deals to be had for sure. It’s expensive, but if you can afford it, it doesn’t sound like there are many negatives to the new Rubicon.