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Thinking on this some more. Simple question for you. Let's say we could get the vast majority of drivers on board with this boycott to punish the gas companies and not buy fuel for 2 days a month from now.

You still have to drive the same number of miles on your commute. Are you going to fill up before those boycott days so you can still make it to work? We know you have to fill up after the boycott unless you are managing to stockpile some fuel or stay home. If you stockpile, unless you steal it, the exact same money is going out of the same pocket into another exact same pocket at the pump.

Where and how does the net lower result to punish the gas companies come into play? How exactly will that work?

Here is the reality. Due to pricing, very few are doing much extra other than buying the fuel they need to. In other words, most folks are already ONLY buying the fuel they need to get by.

So again, what will actually be accomplished?

You feel like you are sticking it to the big bad mean oil companies. That must count, right? Right?
 

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I don’t buy fuel every day. Sometimes it’s three weeks before I need more fuel in my truck.

right? even if somebody who just happened to need gas on the 5th holds out and buys on the 6th, the oil company will just end up making even more money because of how much more expensive it got overnight.
 
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If you're not going to play "donkeys and elephants" than you're part of the problem. Understanding where the people you vote for stand on issues is hugely important.

maybe, i don't vote for the party i vote for who i think will do the job better. i watch debates and try to pay attention b4 elections, but not all candidates are honest and up front about their agendas .............the very problem we claim to have currently, no?

i have sat a few out i don't care to cast a vote for damage control if i can't get behind either candidate. i'd love a posting of info for all elections, what each candidate stands for and their stance on certain issues, and what they are gonna push for.....side by side. news is bias left and right where's the middle anymore?
(and his handlers)

can you enlighten me plz?
 
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maybe, i don't vote for the party i vote for who i think will do the job better. i watch debates and try to pay attention b4 elections, but not all candidates are honest and up front about their agendas .............the very problem we claim to have currently, no?

i have sat a few out i don't care to cast a vote for damage control if i can't get behind either candidate. i'd love a posting of info for all elections, what each candidate stands for and their stance on certain issues, and what they are gonna push for.....side by side. news is bias left and right where's the middle anymore?


can you enlighten me plz?

all debates prove is how slick the guy is. I'm not looking for a guy that can sell me a shitty car. I want to know what he wants to get done, and all I have to know to know that is whether he's a donkey or an elephant. Donkeys want to tax me into dependence and elephants want to lower taxes but spend just as much money while pretending they stand for fiscal responsibility. I care about gun rights and I care about abortion but healthcare, fiscal and energy policy is the only thing any administration or congress has ever gotten done that actually has been able to impact my life.

I still vote, but I forget why. The last two republican primaries, I voted for whoever I thought had the best shot at keeping Trump out of the general election. That guy won in my state, but it didn't matter. Before that I voted for some doctors named Paul but neither of them fit the image people expect of a president so I knew it was never going anywhere.
 
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maybe, i don't vote for the party i vote for who i think will do the job better. i watch debates and try to pay attention b4 elections, but not all candidates are honest and up front about their agendas .............the very problem we claim to have currently, no?

i have sat a few out i don't care to cast a vote for damage control if i can't get behind either candidate. i'd love a posting of info for all elections, what each candidate stands for and their stance on certain issues, and what they are gonna push for.....side by side. news is bias left and right where's the middle anymore?

Well, that is a bit different than saying you don't play donkey's and elephants. At least you're trying to be informed. I don't know where to get unbiased information anymore either. I spend a lot of time on www.bridgemi.com which seems to be pretty non-partisan. I also listen to Fox News and NPR because I figure the truth is generally in the middle.

Regarding voting for damage control...I've voted for specific people before. It made me feel good (I didn't vote for trump or Hillary in 2016). At a certain point though, you have to look at the party leaders, like Pelosi and Chuck Schumer (Biden's handlers) and realize that their entire political careers have revolved around pushing a socialist agenda. So, voting against them, IMHO, is better than allowing them to continue, even if you don't fully support the other party's candidate. Obviously, we're getting into opinion here. TBH, I don't have any use for the lot of them. I'm sick of the two party system, my personal beliefs lean more Libertarian than anything else...but try to get a Libertarian elected and have him (or her) be effective.

Speaking of Handlers...You ever seen anything in the news about our Vice President? Kamala Harris...a black woman holding the second highest political office in the country. You'd think the liberal media and the left wing "woke army" would be falling all over themselves proclaiming they've finally won! But they don't...why not?
 
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Give it another 2 weeks and the people of Colorado are going to start trying to figure out how to place less online orders... To the tune of $0.27/shipping box.

this is over my head, sorry.
You replied not at all to my comment as to similarities to gun control.

if what you wrote the last few post is accurate, then the correlation is not similar enough to compare so simply. TBH it was 4am here and i just a tad overwhelmed this has turned into this.........i owe replies because i started this mess but man i'm not fond of crow.

the fuel or gun is in the hand of the possessor, the oil co's. if we label the democrats are just some bitch that pissed them off and kicked um out. if we bring in supply and demand to the equation then i guess it's understandable the cost increases because the bitch is now withholding what she contributed b4.

it's gonna take me some time to digest all this, and do a bit of reading.
who's tellin the truth? who reports the facts and not the BS? i'll start watchin if it's worth watchin.

i do appreciate you takin the time to lay out your interpretation and opinions. i really don't try to be dumb but i admit ignorance in politics and current events.
 
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Donkeys want to tax me into dependence and elephants want to lower taxes but spend just as much money while pretending they stand for fiscal responsibility.

the way i learned as a younger man was democrats are for the people and republicans are for big business. that's how it was taught to me when my parents voted. it all became muddled and i lost track since then. sometimes it's not hard to pick 1 or the other sometimes they both suck.

At least you're trying to be informed.

i have tried even on the local level, but they are all so full of crap. info is scattered at best and the source has to be trustworthy. it's intentional smoke and mirrors on both sides anymore it seems.
 

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the way i learned as a younger man was democrats are for the people and republicans are for big business. that's how it was taught to me when my parents voted. it all became muddled and i lost track since then. sometimes it's not hard to pick 1 or the other sometimes they both suck.

sounds like your parents were democrats.

I grew up being told that democrats were for big government and republicans were for small government. The truth is, they're both for big government AND big business (because they're one and the same); they just have different ways of pretending they're for the people. We just get to vote whether our masters are big oil or big pharma, and big tech plays along holding up the curtain.
 

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the way i learned as a younger man was democrats are for the people and republicans are for big business. that's how it was taught to me when my parents voted. it all became muddled and i lost track since then. sometimes it's not hard to pick 1 or the other sometimes they both suck

I think if you go back to the 60s, that was maybe the case. I think JFK was probably more conservative than either party is now. Anymore, the Dems think the Americans can't think for themselves and they need to tell us what's good for us. The Republicans want businesses to grow, but they still spend too much money (that we already don't have)

I want term limits in Congress. I don't think lifetime politicians are good for our country. They are decidedly self serving. I know the experience arguement... But what is the alternative?
 
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I want term limits in Congress. I don't think lifetime politicians are good for our country. They are decidedly self serving.

i agree with this statement.

I know the experience arguement...

only matters if they are honest.


seems like just about everything is division now...........i don't play that if you don't agree with me shut up stuff, i'll let anybody speak their piece, whether i buy in is another story. i don't play black white and brown either i play can i shake your hand and you meet your word, that's usually fair enough to me. if i don't feel that can be accomplished we'll never speak.
 

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Dems/Reps are two sides of the same coin. When I say this, I don't mean the people on the street that would claim to be one or the other, I mean the DNC/RNC. They need one another to point fingers at and assign blame for whatever is going wrong that election cycle.

Take a look at the schools our leaders have attended, clubs they belong to - for the last 90 years. Same families, same cliques have run our country since the 1930's. A few "mavericks" along the way - Ike and Trump come to mind - but for the most part they select and present one of the two people every four years that we can vote for and have a chance at winning.

I don't see either party wanting to fix problems, they have both had opportunities with super majorities and we are still talking about the same problems we had in the 80's.
 
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i remember a few major events like this in the past with fuel prices.......the 1st was dropping the national speed limits the next brought us the yugo and 4 cylinder engines to combat the issue, about 10yrs back when it happened again, the big deal was everyone was gonna make a hydrogen generator and convert.

back in the early 80's i recall a rumor some guy out west made a generator that once it was started it fed itself and could supply power for about 3-4 homes in the scale he made.............they would not issue a patent.
the wind generator co. i mentioned above was run out of the states, though they would employ about 3000 workers,............ seems to me they know we need to transition but cannot figure out how to maintain the balance they have now through it. not to mention at that point we are now effecting several publicly traded utility's in addition to oil. that's the plate of spaghetti.
 
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Makes as much sense as releasing oil from the strategic reserves, and refilling them later.
 

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i remember a few major events like this in the past with fuel prices.......the 1st was dropping the national speed limits the next brought us the yugo and 4 cylinder engines to combat the issue, about 10yrs back when it happened again, the big deal was everyone was gonna make a hydrogen generator and convert.

back in the early 80's i recall a rumor some guy out west made a generator that once it was started it fed itself and could supply power for about 3-4 homes in the scale he made.............they would not issue a patent.
the wind generator co. i mentioned above was run out of the states, though they would employ about 3000 workers,............ seems to me they know we need to transition but cannot figure out how to maintain the balance they have now through it. not to mention at that point we are now effecting several publicly traded utility's in addition to oil. that's the plate of spaghetti.

Read up on Tesla and how Edison screwed him... It's been around for much longer than the 30s
 
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i hope our kids are smarter than us..........seems like the country's the strongest when we have a common goal. WW2, the arms race, the space race. we need to have a common goal to bring relocated industry back in house. though another war is not the answer.
i'm all down for MAGA, i'm just not convinced he was the guy that could pull it off.

if you go back far enough and read about what some thought of what might be........this will be changing soon. 1 world govt, 1 world currency is the prediction IIRC most of the pre-details have been met already. not sure if it'll be my lifetime or not, but i'm an old fart.
 
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IMHO the real reason for high prices in the oil industry is Zealot Environmentalists and NIMBYs. The last construction of an oil refinery of any meaningful capacity was in 1977. The most economical way to transport crude oil and finished product is a pipeline. Try to build one today and see what happens. In North Dakota they flare off billions of cubic feet of natural gas because they can not build the pipelines to move it to processing and then distributing it to where it’s needed. Just look at a night time satellite image of western North Dakota. All that light is from flaring gas and not streetlights.
Wait, you say let’s go all electric. Same issue with Zealot Environmentalists and NIMBYs. The added amount of electricity required means building more generation od all types and transmission capacity. This means more environmental hurdles for construction of generators of all types, high voltage transmission lines, more mining of copper and other raw materials. Electricity is not clean. Getting the infrastructure manufactured requires a lot of environmental pollution as well. Lithium needs to be mined and processed for batteries and then there is the issue of disposing them after their useful life.
This is a multi faceted issue and not entirely the fault of the oil industry who are just following the Capitalist System of supply and demand. A few people not buying gas for few days will do noting to them or there bottom line because those people will just buy gas latter on.
 
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