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Buddy of mine on another crew saw a guy heading into Willamette NF with diesel. Cops stopped him and I’m not sure of the story but it’s beyond fucked up.
Yes, I am hearing stories too. It’s hard to say what’s true and what’s not, but like I said, I suspect there is some shady shit going on.
 
I don't even have words
I don’t either, but I have numbers; 5.56 and 7.62.

*edit* I should clarify I’m being serious about this. In a situation like this I wouldn’t hesitate to put someone down. AZ has a law that permits the use of deadly force to prevent arson due to how destructive it can be
 
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Here is a interesting article written by someone who worked in the forestry department. The views expressed may not be those of management.... :D :D ;)




Welcome to the (Unnecessary) Mega Fire Generation!
By Del Albright, Fire Chief (retired)
25-30 years ago, a 10,000 – 15,000-acre fire was a huge conflagration. Now we are experiencing 100,000 - 400,000-acre fires regularly.
I would like to offer an explanation based on over 30 years of government service including 26 years with the fire service, as well as beginning my fire career with a Master’s Degree in Prescribed Burning.
NO! It is not just global warming (climate change).
NO! It is not understaffed or ill-trained firefighters.
NO! It is not Mamma Nature getting even with our urban sprawl.
NO! It is not careless campers or hunters.
NO! It is not kids with matches.
YES! It is a combination of many things but more importantly, it is the LACK of forest/brushland/grassland management caused by wacko, radical enviro groups imposing excessive regulations, and restrictions on our ability to keep the west safe from wildfire.
Here are the key takeaways from this article:
· The lack of controlled burning/prescribed fire is directly responsible for the huge build-ups of flammable fuels.
· The end of maintaining fire breaks (roads) in forested areas leaves firefighters with inadequate access.
· The end of logging and good timber management as we used to know it is directly responsible for forests that are now tinderboxes.
Let us take a deeper look at these reasons.
CONTROLLED BURNS:
Going back to Native Americans in America, controlled burning (later called Prescribed Fire) have saved the west from huge conflagrations. By burning large brush fields and using fire to thin understory brush in the forest, we kept the big boomers at bay. We had programs designed to reduce “chaparral” in the west, thus limiting the ability for fires to get ragingly out of control.
In the early days of settling the west, ranchers regularly burned brush fields to make way for grazing and wildlife habitat.
This entire program of controlled or prescribed fire is a near thing of the past.
ROADS/FIRE BREAKS:
When I started with the fire service in the 1970’s we had regularly scheduled building, repairing, cleaning, and maintaining fire breaks around rural housing areas and developments. We kept fire roads cleared and usable for large fire equipment. We had access to remote areas which allowed us to attack fires when they were small. Roads provided a place to start a safe backfire. Oh, backfires! Another art nearly lost today due to liability and excessive oversight by the media and radical enviro groups who have political power.
LOGGING/TIMBER MANAGEMENT:
If you live in the Pacific Northwest, you probably remember sawmills. They are all gone for the most part because the radical environmental rules have made logging a financial nightmare. You wonder why wood is so expensive these days? We cannot log; that’s why. Yes, there are still a few holdouts logging here and there. But the feds are hampered by so many regulations and restrictions that our timber stands either get bug infested or succumb to wildfires.
We used to thin forest stands regularly – fire crews, inmate crews, machines that munch up underbrush, and yes, even pesticides to keep the forests healthy. Now, you can pick about any state in the west with timber and you see more bug-killed trees than live ones!
In our western grasslands, the lack of proactive landscape management in desert states has resulted in vast acreages dominated by a cheatgrass-fire cycle that is ruining wildlife habitat and causing bigger and more damaging conflagrations. This invasive species needs to be managed or these western deserts will never be the same – nor will our wildlife species.
In timber areas, for the most part, we no longer control pests and bugs; we no longer do any substantial thinning of the underbrush; logging is kaput, and forest management is a façade. It is not the fault of our public land managers; it is the imposition of radical regulation. It is politics.
SUMMARY:
Public land management is no longer based on science but rather politics. The same goes for wildlife management. Radical enviro groups lobby politicians (and raise untold dollars in support) to STOP all the things that will make our forests, brushlands, and deserts safe and healthy. It is ironic (and pathetic) because for all their efforts to “save the world” they are destroying our world, piece by piece.
To see fires in California reach half a million acres is beyond belief!
What can we do? We must STOP the silliness and over-regulation and allow sound public land management, never forgetting that public lands are FOR the public. Help good politicians get elected and stay in office. Recall bad politicians. Do everything in your power to negate, refute, or STOP the radical movement that has stagnated management of our resources.
 
Here is a interesting article written by someone who worked in the forestry department. The views expressed may not be those of management.... :D :D ;)




Welcome to the (Unnecessary) Mega Fire Generation!
By Del Albright, Fire Chief (retired)
25-30 years ago, a 10,000 – 15,000-acre fire was a huge conflagration. Now we are experiencing 100,000 - 400,000-acre fires regularly.
I would like to offer an explanation based on over 30 years of government service including 26 years with the fire service, as well as beginning my fire career with a Master’s Degree in Prescribed Burning.
NO! It is not just global warming (climate change).
NO! It is not understaffed or ill-trained firefighters.
NO! It is not Mamma Nature getting even with our urban sprawl.
NO! It is not careless campers or hunters.
NO! It is not kids with matches.
YES! It is a combination of many things but more importantly, it is the LACK of forest/brushland/grassland management caused by wacko, radical enviro groups imposing excessive regulations, and restrictions on our ability to keep the west safe from wildfire.
Here are the key takeaways from this article:
· The lack of controlled burning/prescribed fire is directly responsible for the huge build-ups of flammable fuels.
· The end of maintaining fire breaks (roads) in forested areas leaves firefighters with inadequate access.
· The end of logging and good timber management as we used to know it is directly responsible for forests that are now tinderboxes.
Let us take a deeper look at these reasons.
CONTROLLED BURNS:
Going back to Native Americans in America, controlled burning (later called Prescribed Fire) have saved the west from huge conflagrations. By burning large brush fields and using fire to thin understory brush in the forest, we kept the big boomers at bay. We had programs designed to reduce “chaparral” in the west, thus limiting the ability for fires to get ragingly out of control.
In the early days of settling the west, ranchers regularly burned brush fields to make way for grazing and wildlife habitat.
This entire program of controlled or prescribed fire is a near thing of the past.
ROADS/FIRE BREAKS:
When I started with the fire service in the 1970’s we had regularly scheduled building, repairing, cleaning, and maintaining fire breaks around rural housing areas and developments. We kept fire roads cleared and usable for large fire equipment. We had access to remote areas which allowed us to attack fires when they were small. Roads provided a place to start a safe backfire. Oh, backfires! Another art nearly lost today due to liability and excessive oversight by the media and radical enviro groups who have political power.
LOGGING/TIMBER MANAGEMENT:
If you live in the Pacific Northwest, you probably remember sawmills. They are all gone for the most part because the radical environmental rules have made logging a financial nightmare. You wonder why wood is so expensive these days? We cannot log; that’s why. Yes, there are still a few holdouts logging here and there. But the feds are hampered by so many regulations and restrictions that our timber stands either get bug infested or succumb to wildfires.
We used to thin forest stands regularly – fire crews, inmate crews, machines that munch up underbrush, and yes, even pesticides to keep the forests healthy. Now, you can pick about any state in the west with timber and you see more bug-killed trees than live ones!
In our western grasslands, the lack of proactive landscape management in desert states has resulted in vast acreages dominated by a cheatgrass-fire cycle that is ruining wildlife habitat and causing bigger and more damaging conflagrations. This invasive species needs to be managed or these western deserts will never be the same – nor will our wildlife species.
In timber areas, for the most part, we no longer control pests and bugs; we no longer do any substantial thinning of the underbrush; logging is kaput, and forest management is a façade. It is not the fault of our public land managers; it is the imposition of radical regulation. It is politics.
SUMMARY:
Public land management is no longer based on science but rather politics. The same goes for wildlife management. Radical enviro groups lobby politicians (and raise untold dollars in support) to STOP all the things that will make our forests, brushlands, and deserts safe and healthy. It is ironic (and pathetic) because for all their efforts to “save the world” they are destroying our world, piece by piece.
To see fires in California reach half a million acres is beyond belief!
What can we do? We must STOP the silliness and over-regulation and allow sound public land management, never forgetting that public lands are FOR the public. Help good politicians get elected and stay in office. Recall bad politicians. Do everything in your power to negate, refute, or STOP the radical movement that has stagnated management of our resources.

That sums it up perfectly. It's a combination of many things (not just global warming as some continue to spout off about), but more importantly it comes down to politics, money, and these environmental groups.

In the end, most of the forests will burn down, they'll never re-grow in our lifetime, and the environmentalists and Democrats will continue to blame it 100% on "climate change" as they are currently doing.

At no point has any of them been smart enough to take a step back and listen to someone else (other than a fellow politician) and accept that "climate change" is not the root cause of this.
 
That sums it up perfectly. It's a combination of many things (not just global warming as some continue to spout off about), but more importantly it comes down to politics, money, and these environmental groups.

In the end, most of the forests will burn down, they'll never re-grow in our lifetime, and the environmentalists and Democrats will continue to blame it 100% on "climate change" as they are currently doing.

At no point has any of them been smart enough to take a step back and listen to someone else (other than a fellow politician) and accept that "climate change" is not the root cause of this.

I posted this since it was questioned WHY some of us were raggin on the ECO folks. And yes I TOTALLY agree with you. And it is a shame that it has come to this now where we might end up like Europe is where a lot of our forests are destroyed. When you think about the fact that a lot of this could have been prevented and the loss of life & property is staggering. It makes me so frustrated and more so because it didn't have to happen.

All of those affected will stay in my thoughts and prayers. Stay safe and know that many of us here will be there ASAP if you need our help.
 
We harvest around 4 billion board feet of timber a year here in Oregon. We have 71,000 miles of National Forest roads - more than any other state in the US. Almost all of these roads are created and maintained using money from timber sales and logging operations. Do not get confused by those who do not understand the how and why behind current events.
 
We harvest around 4 billion board feet of timber a year here in Oregon. We have 71,000 miles of National Forest roads - more than any other state in the US. Almost all of these roads are created and maintained using money from timber sales and logging operations. Do not get confused by those who do not understand the how and why behind current events.


Can you educate us on things a bit? It would be nice hearing from the source and not op end reports or random posts!


An short update, I have talked to people I haven’t had contact with for years these past few days. It’s amazing how time flies with families and jobs and then something like this happens and people reach out and offer help.

Fires rage on. It’s a scramble to help those in need but the community is helping as it can. People opening up large parts of their own property to allow folks to stay on, donated clothing, water and food and it’s a wonderful thing in awful times like these.

It’s funny as I cruised through our our political area just how much it really doesn’t matter in the broad scope of things. Your local government has so much more influence and impact on your daily lives and I never see anyone really talking much about the city counsel or county commissioners.

Anyway, it made me smile inside knowing that we have tons of awesome people and even those on here who offered to help and reached out when we don’t know each other except for a avatar and internet handle. Thanks for all that and continued support!
 
I'm in a place where we all pitch in to solve whatever needs it. So its hard to express it over the web. I'd stop an arsonist or help you save your stuff or let you stay here. But I'm too far away.

I remember when my family lost a farmstead to a tornado and a bunch of strangers and friends and neighbors showed up to clean up.

That's one reason I live here. People are tight.