EJD, I was aware of program, I do trail 11 all the time which is one of them, it's pretty easy but a lotta fun; crawl daddy on the other hand is way outa my league, pretty sure I'd need a heavy lift helicopter to drag my TJ through there & even then,,, :ambulance:. I'm not sure what the 3rd one is though? Someone once told me it was the Topples for Tatas trail which is a blue/moderate rated trail, if that is one it's not bad at all, did it maybe 10 or more times already, it's just really rocky but nothing really big. Tight too, that's the kind of trail that the JKU crowd really slows down on with all their 7 point turns to line up for squeezing through trees - God I love my TJ wheelbase :campeon2: