Anyone who went to that effort would not be the tiniest bit shy about posting up the findings first without being prompted, not the tiniest bit.Im guessing your dog ate all the findings/comparisons that you wrote down.
Replaced Headlights with Truck-Lite Knockoffs
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I don't know what is in his mind but I would clearly say that you have no concept of what it is like to have an original idea ripped off if you support knock-off products by the purchase and use thereof. That or you have little sense of self worth.
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Exactly. Not to mention, findings analyzed, they certainly wouldnt promote the Chinese knock offs over the genuine TruckLites.
They are overpriced because that isn't how much they want to spend. Doesn't get any more simple than that.
Humans have been killing each other since the beginning of time and will continue to do so until none are left. Therefore, the value of human life is lessened with each loss in that manner.
Starrs
TJ Guru
they did use those lights. Not a fan. They look like something that belong on a spaceship haha
There is no such thing as a DOT certification. The DOT publishes specifications by category for the items under their purview. If you want to manufacture those items you have to meet the specifications and it rests upon you to verify the accuracy. A Chinese company running a line of knock off products does not give one tiny little rat's ass if they actually meet the specs.
No, no, is there no limit to the justifications you come up with? Just say it and get it over with. Fuck it, I don't give a shit where they are made or who buying them fucks over. Stop running around in circles trying to make it okay.
The folks that understand in general are the makers, builders, suppliers, and developers. If anyone spends the time to develop, originate, figure out production, testing, and then build in warranty costs because there will be defects, then they understand how it works. If you try to explain to the average user looking at a set of LED headlights that the molds for the first set are in the 100,000 dollar price range, they will not understand why that is important or why that 100 grand is a pittance when what it cost to get to where they can make that mold is 5-10 times more.
Starting at zero, Trucklite and JW easily have a million bucks tied up before the first pair of lights went out the door.
The obvious would just be to admit the truth. I don't give a shit what you think, I am going to buy what I want and you can fuck right off. Wouldn't that be easier than this monstrous circle jerk of bullshit justifications?
Right, I wanted the questions out there and asked to get him and others to read the questions and think about them from that aspect. I knew with certainly he is 100% unable to answer the questions, even though he did mention the genuine LED headlights are, "obviously,"overpriced...
It is very difficult to convince someone to change their mind these days...No one wants to be wrong. ❄
jesseshoots
TJ Enthusiast
I can say, for fact, that when we got the contracts with Mopar for JL parts it was solely because we were the cheapest! They said, "we want exactly this, how much can you do it for?"
I know that typically nothing will change. I'd just rather folks be honest about it instead of all the bullshit.
We were in a position to build a product for GM. The amount of bullshit involved was ridiculous. They wanted 6 months of inventory on the shelf. They wanted samples for evaluation, samples to install and test, then changes were to be made if needed to fit their criteria, all for free and built into the price of the predicted sales volume. They paid 90 days out after the first order. That is a buttload of cost you have to be able to handle before you collect a dime.
The key part that most will overlook in their zeal to justify things is that couple of words in your statement- we want exactly this. They know exactly what they want, how to verify it and everyone that wants to supply that will give them exactly the same part if they get the bid. Yes, you were the cheapest at supplying exactly what they wanted. Not a cheaper version, but a version that met their specs and ya'll figured out how to do that without compromising the quality and performance.
jesseshoots
TJ Enthusiast
So true! If I had the choice to not do the OEM projects I certainly wouldn't. The paperwork and associated bs took three of us over a week to knock out.
Was Mopar looking for a specific requirement/spec to be met and your company provided the cheapest solution that met that requirement/spec? I believe there to be a slight difference.
All of these discussions would be a lot more refreshing if folks could just try to wrap their heads around costs and how those impact the final cost of a product going out the door. Just coming up with a system to assign part numbers, production lots, and how to track those accurately is beyond the comprehension of most.