RangerRick

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Hello all,
Show of hands please of who speak CB radio when Jeeping and are also licensed HAM operators on this forum. Also, I would like to know who is interested in HAM that aren't right now. Being a radio operator is not only a hobby but also good for emergency preparedness and back country travel or SAR (Search And Rescue) teams. It is easier than ever to get your HAM "ticket" and have more advanced radio equipment at your disposal to communicate with. Plus there's a certain level of education gained by learning about HAM and radio in general as to how radio communications actually work. My family and the group of 4-wheelers I frequent all use HAM as a backup to the CB radio when reliable longer distance or adverse conditions communications is needed. Many have commented on my large HF antenna that hangs off the back of my Jeep tire rack and what it's used for.

I have multi-band radios in my Jeep that I use besides the standard CB radio. What if any do you use and why?

Thanks 73,
RangerRick W6RE

I've decided to add some additional information on HAM radio here so members can follow the links to help anyone who wants to study for their license. This is from part of a conversation I've been having with @Chris about ham radio because my brother-in-law and a group of us are expanding our repeater coverage in Oregon to cover the central Willamette Valley, Salem and neighboring communities along I5 & 99.

My recommendations for anyone who is not at all familiar with HAM or 2-Way radio in general is to take a locally sponsored "HAM CRAM" class to get your first license, the TECHNICIAN Class license so you can use a hand-held "HT" radio on your adventures.

You look On-Line to find the local "HAM CRAM" classes that go for one weekend and BAM! you have your license.

These are a condensed 1 or 2 day class that takes the student from knowing nothing about radio, all the way to passing the entry TECHNICIAN class license exam and learning the basics of using a hand held "HT" radio.

In many classes the attendance fee (which by law can only cover costs of the class and any equipment or materials used in the classroom materials, so it's going to be quite reasonable) may include your first radio, typically an entry level Baofeng or TYT Chinese made radio and the class will help to program it.

These radios can be had off ebay or

*I recommend through Amazon or Prime, to help this forum operate and donate a small portion of the sales to run the site here*. A Beofeng UV-5X3 covers three bands, 2 Meters, 220MHz & 440MHz IN ONE RADIO for under $70 widely available and a current model. The Beofeng UV-5R or variant with two bands in one radio (2 Meters & 440MHz) can be had frequently for under $29 shipped!

They may not be the best radio but they are dirt cheap and will get you started on the air on the CHEAP!

Use the free program downloadable on the web called "CHIRP" to program the radio with your computer and keep the memory positions in some kind of order.

Easy-peasy-lemon-squeazy for any computer savvy guy or gal.

There are several free forums on the internet that have practice questions of the test for TECHNICIAN, the entry level ham license. Take these practice quizzes on-line until you score in the ninetieth percentile and you should be able to pass the real test from there on out.

Below is a partial list of reference sites where you can read the FCC rules and or take practice quizzes or see the question pool for the TECHNICIAN class license. There are three classes of license; TECHNICIAN (entry level), GENERAL (middle license with HF low frequency privileges included), EXTRA, (the top license) with all the operating privileges for every band and frequency that hams can use on every band.

***Study hint***:

Read the question and ONLY THE CORRECT ANSWER, then move on to the next question. This way you only memorize the right answer and no mumbo-jumbo that will confuse you when you take the exam. My wife is studying right now for hers and the sister who lives in Salem has hers and her son has his too. He got it at age 15.

http://www.arrl.org/question-pools
https://hamexam.org/
http://www.hamtesting.com/pbMain.php
http://ncvec.org/page.php?id=362
https://www.eham.net/exams/
https://hamstudy.org/tech2014
https://www.fcctestonline.com/question_pools.htm (also for your commercial license)
https://www.qrz.com/hamtest/


More statistics and info here:
https://www.hamradiolicenseexam.com/trouble-with-practice-exams.htm
http://www.nc4fb.org/wordpress/technician-license-20142018/

There are MANY MORE SITES but this is some starter information that will help you study on your own to begin with.

The ARRL is the national organization for hams called American Radio Relay League.

http://www.arrl.org/

They are the organization that helps to deal with Washington D.C. when it comes to politics and regulations along with a magazine QST and much of the leagues efforts that support continuing education in the field of radio and technology advancements. A wealth of information and help can be found here along with the following websites for radio enthusiasts:

https://www.qrz.com/
https://www.eham.net/
https://www.radioreference.com/ (all aspects of radio including MURS, GMRS, HAM, CB etc.)

There are some great swap sites for radio gear and test equipment for electronics on the following sites:

https://www.qrz.com/ (swap forum for used radios)
https://www.qth.com/ (largest swap & used radio site on the web that is ham related)
https://eham.net/ (swap, chat, radio topics and ham radio equipment reviews by other hams) Check out the ratings before buying that new radio related toy!

A nice article put out by the ARRL on choosing your ham radio here:

https://www.arrl.org/files/file/On the Air/Choosing.pdf

Another big thing to hit ham radio is linking via VoIP and the WWW. Repeaters and computers, radios and the internet all come together and here are some sites to visit for that information:

https://allstarlink.org/about.html (AllStar uses Asterisk a SIPP software suite that powers many internet based phone systems and more)
http://www.echolink.org/ (when you're licensed you can get the phone app. to talk worldwide on Android, iOS, Windows based phones and computers)
http://www.irlp.net/ (Internet Radio Linking Project version of VoIP linking from Canada)
http://www.yaesu.com/jp/en/wiresinfo-en/introduction.html (Yaesu's VoIP linking)
http://nxdninfo.com/wp/ (NXDN digital air bridge forum for ham radio)
http://www.dstarinfo.com/ (DStar, a ham specific "lite" version of NXDN technology)


If you have any questions, I like to get the word out about ham radio and inform Jeepers of just how easy and important it can be, that HAM radio goes well with the independent mindset of the average Jeeper who likes adventure, the back country to urban sprawl and to be prepared in a self reliant way.

Another thing I'd like to bring up is the largest single HAM related event is coming soon to an open space, mountain-top, campground, community, city, state or national park near you! It's called FIELD DAY and it is the single largest event in the amateur radio community and especially a good time to check out what HAM radio is. There are information booths at major FIELD DAY events everywhere where you can talk to ham operators and radio clubs to find out how and where they may offer licensing classes or tests and the best part is many of these clubs will actively solicit for non-licensed people to operate their FIELD DAY station to make contact for the experience and to see what HAM radio is all about. FIELD DAY 2017 dates this year are:

June 24th & 25th 2017

So go find that radio club FIELD DAY site and check it out! Plenty of friendly good folks who would gladly chat with you about all aspects of radio and technology and who knows, you may even get to make a contact or two out of the deal!

If you are in the Southern California area and would like to visit the FIELD DAY site where the club I am working with is going to have our event, you can stop by and say HI!

We will be at:

Friendship Park in San Pedro overlooking the top field under the radar domes of Palos Verdes peninsula.

Feel free to drop by and say hello! The club is the famous W6TRW/NG6RC TRW Northrop Grumman Amateur Radio Club, (the club that hosts the electronics swap meet at the NG facility in Redondo Beach the last weekend of every month). We welcome anyone who would like to find out what ham radio is, you can see first hand what it is all about.


Rick
 
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Myself and probably 90% of the people I wheel with all have CB radios. I only know of two that have their HAM license. One was a communication tech in the military, and the other is involved in SAR.

I'll usually bring a few FRS radios in case someone is there that doesn't have a CB.
 
I will be mounting a 2m radio in my TJ before next spring. We have a very good 2 meter repeater system in this area. I'm able to contact people 60 miles away on a hand held unit via the repeater. CB has the advantage of there being more users.
Lynn
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Ham here too, got my license back when you had to pass the Morse code test. Kenwood TS850 HF rig at home, Yaesu FT-2900R 2m in my Jeep. But on the trail, I probably use my CB 100 times for every use of my 2m radio. What's almost funny is when I'm using both, I never know which radio to reply back on when someone calls my name on the radio and I usually reply back on the wrong radio lol.

N6TAY
 
I'm looking for information on what CB Radio to buy. I haven't had a CB in over 40 years.

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I have only the CB for group communication. It is a small Midland 75-822 that can be hand held or used with the exterior Firestick antenna my choice and then it runs off the battery. We tuned the antenna and I am getting up to 3 miles here in the PNW when not used as a hand held. Suites my needs and allows a hand held unit when needed for spotting at rough areas. The whole radio fits in the palm of my hand!
 
Good to see there are a few of us hams here on the board. Typically I use CB almost exclusively on trail rides when there are no other hams in the group, but I have used ham for emergency and when we are on the highway heading to the trails. Ham radio has the advantage of repeaters, I have two on the air in So. Cal. And my brother has two in Salem Oregon and they are linked to each other on AllStar network over 1000 miles to each other. More on AllStar later......
With Chinese radios on the market, there's no excuse for getting in the hobby since dual band 2m/440MHz radios go for as little as $24 on Amazon! Yes they are a pain to program vs. The more expensive Japanese established brands but that's why there are USB computer cables to program with Chirp etc. As far as CB goes, I usually install a higher end unit than the basic all-in-one hand units. There is a difference and the time you'll know it is when you really need it to work. Cobra 29, 148, Uniden PC series, Stryker, Connex, Galaxy etc. All have their good & bad units. You don't need to spend $250 and some units as low as $60 perform well. A very popular basic unit is the Uniden pro 810, 820xl line. Use good quality RG8X or RG58 and a solid grounded to the tub mount for the antenna. A Firestick tunable tip antenna makes it easy to set the SWR "match" for maximum output on your CB. More on CB installs , ham installs including HF to come. Keep watching this thread for more information and pictures of why repeaters have the advantage, more to come.......
 
For the small low-wattage CB & VHF/UHF radios we typically install into our Jeeps, I always just recommend the smaller diameter, more flexible, and easier to route RG58 cable. RG8x is a larger diameter, more costly, and at the short lengths of cable and lower power levels in our Jeeps, it's just not as good of a choice (in my personal opinion) as RG58 is. The RG8x's very slightly lower loss per foot is totally inconsequential at the <20' runs to our Jeep's antennas.

I use the big RG8 cable for my HF ham station at home due to its 100' run to my antenna but that's only due to my HF rig's higher power output and its longer run. :)
 
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For those like me who don't know the first thing about CB's or all the acronyms and what they do, some recommendations on a good compact budget cb and how to set it up would be extremely helpful.
 
For those like me who don't know the first thing about CB's or all the acronyms and what they do, some recommendations on a good compact budget cb and how to set it up would be extremely helpful.
The brand of CB I see most often on the trail is Uniden, and the model of Uniden CB that I run and also see the most is their Pro-520XL. Its price just dropped down to $38 on Amazon so it's a heck of a bargain right now. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004VXNI/?tag=wranglerorg-20

Paying $100 for a CB won't give you any more power than that $38 Pro-520XL puts out. 4 watts of transmit power is the most we can legally use, there's really no need to buy an expensive CB.

FIrestik's FS series of antennas are extremely popular too. The FS series is more easily tuned than some CB antennas so it's usually a great choice. The FS-2 would be 2' tall, FS-3 is 3' tall, and so-on. I went from an FS-4, to FS-3, to the FS-2 I've been running for 12-14 years now. It gets out fine, I've never felt the need to go taller than 2' on the trail. Those at the back of the groups I often lead always give my radio solid signal reports. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004USX7EE/?tag=wranglerorg-20

Once you get closer to buying & installing, we can give you more hints on the type of antenna mount and bracket that would work well.
 
Just got my Ham License about 2 weeks ago. Joined the local Ham Club and for $25 dollars, I get a year membership and a Baofeng UV-5r for free. It's not the greatest HT, but it was essentially free. I picked up a used Yaesu 1900r and as soon as my Arizona Rocky Jeep mount comes in, I will be installing that. I have a Uniden 520 and it's a small CB that works for what I need. It doesn't reach out like some, but when your back country wheeling with a few others, it works fine.

KG5SSX
 
Just got my Ham License about 2 weeks ago. Joined the local Ham Club and for $25 dollars, I get a year membership and a Baofeng UV-5r for free. It's not the greatest HT, but it was essentially free. I picked up a used Yaesu 1900r and as soon as my Arizona Rocky Jeep mount comes in, I will be installing that. I have a Uniden 520 and it's a small CB that works for what I need. It doesn't reach out like some, but when your back country wheeling with a few others, it works fine.

KG5SSX
Congrats on the new ham license! You can't beat the Yaesu FT-2900R and Uniden Pro520XL, that's the exact combination I'm running. This is my setup, though my mic cords no longer dangle like shown, they now have one wrap around the support bar which still gives enough usable length.

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Congrats on the new ham license! You can't beat the Yaesu FT-2900R and Uniden Pro520XL, that's the exact combination I'm running. This is my setup, though my mic cords no longer dangle like shown.

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Thanks Jerry! I like that setup! I haven't decided if I am going to put my CB up high or just keep it attached to my Ammo Can console. Where did you route all your wires? Thinking about running the coax from the tailgate up into the roll bar pad to the front and then across. Not sure about the power wires though!
 
Thanks Jerry! I like that setup! I haven't decided if I am going to put my CB up high or just keep it attached to my Ammo Can console. Where did you route all your wires? Thinking about running the coax from the tailgate up into the roll bar pad to the front and then across. Not sure about the power wires though!
The Arizona Rocky Road http://www.arizonarockyroad.com/radiomounts.html overhead radio mount I used was designed to run the CB's power and antenna cables inside its support bar so they can't be seen.

Running the power wire to where you can pick up power at the rear of the Power Distribution Center is easily done without drilling through steel. Which way you do it depends on if you have a manual or automatic. If you have a manual, the power & ground wires can be routed through the rubber grommet (drill a small hole in the center of the rubber grommet) above and to the right of the gas pedal. If you have an automatic, you can run the wiring through the hole that the clutch pedal's hydraulic actuator rod would have passed through.

The antenna cable can run under the rollbar padding above the door & down the center rollbar support.
 
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The only issue with the Arizona Rocky Road antenna mount that I've run across is how to cleanly run the connection for the anntenna ground plain and the RG58 between the tailgate and the body. Still haven't devised a satisfactory way to do that. It works, but it's just not as clean as I'd like.
 
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The Arizona Rocky Road http://www.arizonarockyroad.com/radiomounts.html overhead mount I used was designed to run the CB's power and antenna cables inside its support bar so they can't be seen.

Running the power wire to where you can pick up power at the rear of the Power Distribution Center is easily done without drilling through steel. Which way you do it depends on if you have a manual or automatic. If you have a manual, the power & ground wires can be routed through the rubber grommet (drill a small hole in the center of the rubber grommet) above and to the right of the gas pedal. If you have an automatic, you can run the wiring through the hole that the clutch pedal's hydraulic actuator rod would have passed through.

The antenna cable can run under the rollbar padding above the door & down the center rollbar support.


Thanks again Jerry. I wasn't sure how the radio mount was designed, but if the cables run internal, that should make a nice clean setup. I have a manual transmission, so I will crawl up under the dash and look for the rubber grommet.
 
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The only issue with the Arizona Rocky Road antenna mount that I've run across is how to cleanly run the connection for the anntenna ground plain and the RG58 between the tailgate and the body. Still haven't devised a satisfactory way to do that. It works, but it's just not as clean as I'd like.
StG58, that was one of my concerns. I know ideally, mounting an antenna over a nice flat ground plane would be great, but not many places on a Jeep will work. I have been told, that a half-wave antenna should work okay in that position, but a quarter or 5/8ths would have trouble without a decent ground plain. So I am looking for a half-wave to initially try. The cable routing might be fun. I seen a youtube video on running the coax inside the tailgate, but haven't looked to see if that was a TJ or a JK. I will post some pictures once I get everything done.