Does anyone run the oro u-turn? have it, came with the jeep, i would like to change it back to the stock Y-link style... i am running radius LA in the front, about 5.5" or so lift, is the c-link too short?
thx
Does anyone run the oro u-turn? have it, came with the jeep, i would like to change it back to the stock Y-link style... i am running radius LA in the front, about 5.5" or so lift, is the c-link too short?
thx
Any thoughts on this set-up? I ran across this video about two years ago and he seems to know what he is talking about.
I saw that too. He makes sense and it seems to work great.
So you don't mind a shorter track bar?
My current situation, short track bar dropped at frame raised at axle.
That isn't what I asked. Do you mind a trackbar that produces more side to side shift as the suspension cycles?
If you have never set up custom shocks or suspension, you won't understand why a shorter trackbar sucks.In the video I am imbedding, it shows the "sagitta" of a long and a short track bar. It looks like the length of the track bar has a negative effect, but not as much as I originally thought.
So you don't mind a shorter track bar?
I sure would not. I know Blaine already knows this but for those that do not:
Those flatter angles will help with bump steer in the short amount of suspension travel typically seen for highway driving, but the moment you start pushing things past that the disparity of length between the track bar and drag link will rear its ugly head. Then add on top of that the side effects the short track bar. Everything crashing into each other like driveshafts into exhaust, shocks into mounts, and the always delightful coil twang if you are not running coilovers(which will be a pain to fit as well). Also there is a question about the relationship between the front and rear track bars and how the chassis reacts to the difference in distance it is pulled or pushed throughout the range of travel if they are too different in length.
If you have never set up custom shocks or suspension, you won't understand why a shorter trackbar sucks.
That is why I ask question from people who have this experience. I am a rookie to say the least. I appreciate your willingness to answer questions and help me understand the situation better.
I sure would not. I know Blaine already knows this but for those that do not:
Those flatter angles will help with bump steer in the short amount of suspension travel typically seen for highway driving, but the moment you start pushing things past that the disparity of length between the track bar and drag link will rear its ugly head. Then add on top of that the side effects the short track bar. Everything crashing into each other like driveshafts into exhaust, shocks into mounts, and the always delightful coil twang if you are not running coilovers(which will be a pain to fit as well). Also there is a question about the relationship between the front and rear track bars and how the chassis reacts to the difference in distance it is pulled or pushed throughout the range of travel if they are too different in length.
I see your point. In the video I posted from Jantz Engineering, If the track bar is able to be made longer, not shorter, is there any other issue with his design? If you can have a drag link that is equal length or even longer than stock, but you also convert to crossover steering and get the track bar and drag link level, is there any drawback to setting it up this way. Comparing to an inverted-Y like the Currie system to a crossover steering system like Jantz Engineering.
I see your point. In the video I posted from Jantz Engineering, If the track bar is able to be made longer, not shorter, is there any other issue with his design? If you can have a drag link that is equal length or even longer than stock, but you also convert to crossover steering and get the track bar and drag link level, is there any drawback to setting it up this way. Comparing to an inverted-Y like the Currie system to a crossover steering system like Jantz Engineering.
I see your point. In the video I posted from Jantz Engineering, If the track bar is able to be made longer, not shorter, is there any other issue with his design? If you can have a drag link that is equal length or even longer than stock, but you also convert to crossover steering and get the track bar and drag link level, is there any drawback to setting it up this way. Comparing to an inverted-Y like the Currie system to a crossover steering system like Jantz Engineering.
If you can package in a track bar with a length that closely resembles the drag link then it will work. Then the question becomes what problem are you trying to solve by getting rid of the Haltenberger (inverted y) linkage? Jeep used the Haltenberger linkage to help combat death wobble as explained by Blaine (quote from Chris first post of this thread):
"There are pros and cons to all types of steering as well as many varied definitions for what styles there are. The Haltenberger (the type of steering the TJ uses) was developed to break the connection to both knuckles and not suffer the tie rod roll that is inherent to Inverted-T, which connects the draglink to the tie rod. Crossover connects the knuckles with a tie rod and the draglink attaches to another point on the knuckle like the JK and WJ.
If you were on the 'net when the TJ was introduced, (or shortly thereafter) and paid attention, you may have noticed that it wasn't until a few years before the JK was introduced that Death Wobble became a commonly discussed topic in the TJ world. Inversely, the DW issues with the JK showed up almost from day one and that's due to the crossover steering being much more prone to DW which is exactly why the TJ's steering was developed."
We need to dig up that comparison video between the greaseable and non greaseable u-joints that is floating around out there. It is a perfect example of someone who is authoritative sounding, commentary makes perfect sense the way he explains it, and all of it is 100% bullshit.
We need to dig up that comparison video between the greaseable and non greaseable u-joints that is floating around out there. It is a perfect example of someone who is authoritative sounding, commentary makes perfect sense the way he explains it, and all of it is 100% bullshit.