Camp Chairs and Back Injury

I have been trying to figure out a way to test hammock sleeping without going headlong into buy a bunch of stuff. My kids have some of the basic nylon hammocks. Adult size, with tree straps, etc. When I warms up a bit I was thinking I might set one up out in the shop she see what all I can figure out. Also a lot of places in the desert don’t have trees big enough for hammocks so that might be a limiting factory but I’ll cross that bridge when/if I get there.
If the weather is warm you can forgo the under quilt. My preference is for something under me once temps drop below 72F. I can be good with a simply underquilt protector (which is is kind of like a second hammock in a wind-proof fabric hung under the first. From there, I’ll change the quilts based ambient temps. I try to choose a quilt rated at about 10F below the expected ambient. Obviously, given that I am out year round, I have a collection quilts down to a toasty 0F. When combined with down pants, beanie and jacket I am good into negative numbers.

If your kids have one that is at least eleven feet, it could be a fine. For lounging you can get away with ten footer, but for sleeping the larger is best. In a shorter hammock, your legs extend into the gather at the end and you are vulnerable to something called calf-ridge. It’s a tight section of hammock under your calves that make it really uncomfortable to sleep. Add a ridgeline to the eleven footer and you can be good to go.

I often use just one tree with the Jeep roll bar as the other anchor, but there are more than a few options to replace a tree or even two. Tensa Outdoors is a company that makes a few options that can put you in the middle of nowhere, with no trees.

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I am usually a side sleeper.

https://www.grandtrunk.com/collections/hammocks/products/skeeter-beeter-pro?variant=11701781187

This is my go to. Both for sleeping and hanging out. I have a couple more of this style without the built in mosquito netting. Keep one of both my daily driver and the LJ.

Also a side sleeper. Some of the best sleep I've ever gotten was in college, when I was in a furnished 4 bed apartment with only two roommates, I hijacked the empty rooms mattress and stacked them two high, and slept on my back. I've never been able to reproduce that combination of support with a single mattress. I'm also 35 pounds heavier and 20 years older, no bulged disc that I know of but I haven't had my lower back MRI'd. I was told I had degenerative disc in my lumbar about 20 years ago.

I have a basic $30 hammock from Amazon that I use for Jeep camping by hanging diagonally across the roll bars. Most of my camping is in Colorado and there's rarely a pair of trees available. I'd like something nicer someday and if I start camping in this part of the country I'll need the bug net....but I just had to laugh at this photo.

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Yes I realize, in that setting, that may very well be the only place clear enough of vegetation to hang a hammock. I used to see "influencer" types doing this (over a creek) when I was on social media and actually saw a girl reading a book in one during the day once in the wild, but that just seems like the most impractical possible way to camp overnight. Pissing out of a hammock seems damn near impossible so then what do you do when the urge hits you at 3am? Better have a bottle if you don't want to monkey your ass down a tree to stand on dry ground, in waist high vegetation, in the dark. :ROFLMAO:

Outside of my Jeep I usually just use a tent and a sleeping pad. I'm gonna have to buy a decent pad one of these days though, it seems like the $30 amazon pads last for a few camps before they start leaking and I wake up every 2 hours on rocks and have to blow it back up.
 
L5/Si microdiscectomy 5 years ago. The best advice I got about recovery and avoiding pain and more surgery was this:

Lose weight and keep it off. Do core exercises and stretch every day without fail.

I'm 35 pounds lighter now, and I can do anything (other than deadlift and run) that I could do prior to the injury.

I'll join the chorus for hammock sleeping while camping. In addition to saving a ton of room in your pack, it's far, far more comfortable than a thermarest and sleeping bag.
 
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Also a side sleeper. Some of the best sleep I've ever gotten was in college, when I was in a furnished 4 bed apartment with only two roommates, I hijacked the empty rooms mattress and stacked them two high, and slept on my back. I've never been able to reproduce that combination of support with a single mattress. I'm also 35 pounds heavier and 20 years older, no bulged disc that I know of but I haven't had my lower back MRI'd. I was told I had degenerative disc in my lumbar about 20 years ago.

I have a basic $30 hammock from Amazon that I use for Jeep camping by hanging diagonally across the roll bars. Most of my camping is in Colorado and there's rarely a pair of trees available. I'd like something nicer someday and if I start camping in this part of the country I'll need the bug net....but I just had to laugh at this photo.

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Yes I realize, in that setting, that may very well be the only place clear enough of vegetation to hang a hammock. I used to see "influencer" types doing this (over a creek) when I was on social media and actually saw a girl reading a book in one during the day once in the wild, but that just seems like the most impractical possible way to camp overnight. Pissing out of a hammock seems damn near impossible so then what do you do when the urge hits you at 3am? Better have a bottle if you don't want to monkey your ass down a tree to stand on dry ground, in waist high vegetation, in the dark. :ROFLMAO:

Outside of my Jeep I usually just use a tent and a sleeping pad. I'm gonna have to buy a decent pad one of these days though, it seems like the $30 amazon pads last for a few camps before they start leaking and I wake up every 2 hours on rocks and have to blow it back up.
Lots of trail buddies use a pee bottle in the hammock. Just can't bring myself to do that so I plan ahead as best I can. If my plan fails and I need to get up, so be it. Even in the coldest of weather I can get up, out and back in without losing my body heat and my insulation is usually warm enough when I get back in (down insulation doesn't create heat, it only captures it). Actually easier than you might think to lean out, dangle your junk and take a piss, but then when you get up you're standing in the spot you pissed in. I usually go to either or both trees and irrigate them when needed. I try to convince myself that the smell will keep animals away but it doesn't. I've been nudged by dogs, bumped by raccoons, had a deer pull up one of my tarp guy lines (at least I think it was a deer.. never found any hoof prints to confirm or reject).

I have a tent that I occasionally setup for convenience, but never sleep in it.

I've seen some idiots doing the stacked hammocks, four to five high and other knuckleheads hanging from a railroad bridge a thousand feet up. They can have their adrenaline rush and post on social media.. I just want a good nights sleep.

I know a few guys who swear by those Tensa poles. I have no need for them though I have considered one, in conjunction with the roll bar on the Jeep, for hanging on the beach.
 
I have and use four different camp chairs, none of which I expect to be robust enough for you though are the lightest I have been able to find and deem suitable to carry backpacking.

Alite Monarch and Alite Mayfly.
The Mayfly is essentially a Monarch with the addition of a front leg. I rarely use that leg.
  • It's very comfortable once in,
  • Monarch is a balancing act to sit in but is surprisingly easy to manage. I sleep in it with no issue
  • Low to the ground and a challenge to enter and exit.
  • Not the lightest option but both found their way into my pack on many backpacking trips
I don't believe the Mayfly is available new, but you can find them on Marketplace occasionally.

The Helinox Chair Zero
I switched to the Chair Zero because:
  • It sits higher than the Alite chairs and is far easier to get in and out, especially after a long day of hiking,
  • Much more comfortable
  • It is far lighter than the Alite chairs at just one pound
  • Chair Zero high back is available too
The only negative I found is that the legs on the Chair Zero sink into all but the hardest ground and it fairly easy to tip. Some easy solutions to the sinking legs can be found on the web.

The Nemo Moonlite
I don't consider this a backpacking chair. It's a bit too heavy for my kit. I sat in one at Public Lands and fell in love. I use this when camping out of the Jeep.
  • By far the most comfortable. Like head and shoulders more comfortable than all of the above.
  • Tank-Built
  • Higher than all of the above and easier to get in and out
  • Legs don't sink into the ground.. ever. Seems like black-magic but the design of the rubber feet works on all but the absolute softest of sand
  • Has recline capability which is rare for a chair this small. Seemed hokey at first, but does as advertised and I do use it often
  • Not the lightest or cheapest
I have minor lower back issues.. nothing major, but after miles of hiking having a chair with back support is far better than sitting on the ground. Keeping my body warm is equally important. I have a quilted comforter that fits under all of the above. Weight is negligible but benefits are measurable. I believe it is an REI brand but can't find a link..

I found a local store that’s getting in Nemo Moonlight stick in 3 weeks, going to check it out then.
 
I’m in no way recommending this chair but I bought one to try out. It was $25 and I figure if I don’t like it, one of the kids can use it on jeep camping trips or sitting at each other sporting events.

I Present: Ozark Trail Backpacking Chair!

It was ok-ish for 5 minutes with my jacket rolled up and placed at my lumbar. It’s pretty heavy. It’s really stable, at least on a firm tile floor.

After sitting in it a little bit I’m really not sure about these small backpacking chairs overall. Laying flat on my back in the dirt might be a little better for my back. I’d just like to be able sit relax, eat, read, etc on my Bikepacking trips but I’m just not sure that’s going to happen and I don’t think 2.5 to 3.5 extra pounds is worth 5-10 minutes sitting after a long day. Still waiting to go try out the Nemo at the local backpacking store when they come in.

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L5/Si microdiscectomy 5 years ago. The best advice I got about recovery and avoiding pain and more surgery was this:

Lose weight and keep it off. Do core exercises and stretch every day without fail.

I'm 35 pounds lighter now, and I can do anything (other than deadlift and run) that I could do prior to the injury.

I'll join the chorus for hammock sleeping while camping. In addition to saving a ton of room in your pack, it's far, far more comfortable than a thermarest and sleeping bag.

I’m down 12 pounds as of today to 230lbs.
 
GCI Compact Rocker

Short Read: great chair for vehicle supported camping, sport events, fishing, hanging out, compact in all those scenarios. Too big for bike/backpacking

Still waiting on that call from the local outfitters…while perusing Academy I found the GCI Compact Rocker. It’s $99, it’s well made and it’s comfortable. I gave it the 5 minute test and got up with no new back or nerve pain. I really liked the rocking feature it let me lean far enough back to take some load of the spine and was very stable. The folding arms and legs actually hook to the base so you aren’t trying to keep them all gathered up when putting it away. It’s really well designed chair. So compared to the Walmart chair we are doing really good…until you get to size and weight. It’s definitely bulkier(see pic) and weight is 7.5lbs. This would make for a great jeep camping chair. It could live in the jeep full time, it's going to be way too big for bike/backpacking.

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I’m in no way recommending this chair but I bought one to try out. It was $25 and I figure if I don’t like it, one of the kids can use it on jeep camping trips or sitting at each other sporting events.

I Present: Ozark Trail Backpacking Chair!

It was ok-ish for 5 minutes with my jacket rolled up and placed at my lumbar. It’s pretty heavy. It’s really stable, at least on a firm tile floor.

After sitting in it a little bit I’m really not sure about these small backpacking chairs overall. Laying flat on my back in the dirt might be a little better for my back. I’d just like to be able sit relax, eat, read, etc on my Bikepacking trips but I’m just not sure that’s going to happen and I don’t think 2.5 to 3.5 extra pounds is worth 5-10 minutes sitting after a long day. Still waiting to go try out the Nemo at the local backpacking store when they come in.

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I picked one up today. Wanted something small that I can leave in the jeep. This packs up as small as those little tripod stools, and is way more comfortable than the super common folding chairs that I can't stand to sit in.

Tried it in the yard and the front feet sunk in a little. And packing up is kinda fiddly. But it's good enough I can see it getting some use.
 
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I picked one up today. Wanted something small that I can leave in the jeep. This packs up as small as those little tripod stools, and is way more comfortable than the super common folding chairs that I can't stand to sit in.

Tried it in the yard and the front feet sunk in a little. And packing up is kinda fiddly. But it's good enough I can see it getting some use.

If I didn’t have the back problems I would be in the same boat. The GCI rocker is probably what I’ll go with because it’s a much better chair overall and my back just sort of requires that. The GCI is waaaaay less fiddly. I should have gotten pics but when you open it up the legs and seat arms don’t just fall open like the ozark trail. They clip to a ring around the base that you can undo 1 at a time. Same for folding it up.
 
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Well I settled on the GCI chair. It works very well and being a bike supported setup the extra weight wasn’t a big deal honestly. I did my first mountain bike mini adventure. Pedaled out 4-5 miles, setup “camp”, relaxed, cooked, ate, enjoyed the solitude, the night sky, great night out. Exercise, outdoors, peace and quiet. Turns out I have the best wife ever that doesn’t really buy into all the Vday nonsense. I cooked us lunch and got her a card. So I had the local trails all to myself on a night where the world was busy spending piles of money they don’t have on trying to get lucky. I’ll be doing this again since my opportunity to really go camping is limited.

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Side note: if you have back problems, heat can be a huge win. Good lumbar support mixed with heat is what really helps me. I’d sacrifice a lot of other things to be able to carry a good chair and heat. Pack a few therma-care pads in with your chair or one of these:

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Side note: if you have back problems, heat can be a huge win. Good lumbar support mixed with heat is what really helps me. I’d sacrifice a lot of other things to be able to carry a good chair and heat. Pack a few therma-care pads in with your chair or one of these:

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Since we're discussing back pain in general, I HIGHLY recommend this book. Very practical instructions for self-diagnosing and healing.

https://www.amazon.com/Back-Mechanic-Stuart-McGill-2015-09-30/dp/B01FKSGJYC/?tag=wranglerorg-20