Dana 30 Setting Backlash

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Working on my Dana 30 Re-Gear. Got the diff in and the backlash was huge, like .065. So I moved all the shims from the right side of the diff to the left side and that brought it down to .038. So I need to add shims to the pinion to bring the pinion closer to the ring gear to close the backlash gap. I added a .025 shim and the backlash went down to .028. Ok we are getting there. I added a .020 shim and the backlash went down to .012. Feeling good about things, almost there. Took things apart and I see this.... Looks like the ring scraped the oil slinger. Anyone ever seen this before?

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I know the first question is going to be where are you placing your pinion shims. Look at the video I linked below, fast forward to 26:30. Thats where I placed my shims.

 
Working on my Dana 30 Re-Gear. Got the diff in and the backlash was huge, like .065. So I moved all the shims from the right side of the diff to the left side and that brought it down to .038. So I need to add shims to the pinion to bring the pinion closer to the ring gear to close the backlash gap. I added a .025 shim and the backlash went down to .028. Ok we are getting there. I added a .020 shim and the backlash went down to .012. Feeling good about things, almost there. Took things apart and I see this.... Looks like the ring scraped the oil slinger. Anyone ever seen this before?

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Have you run a pattern?
 
Working on my Dana 30 Re-Gear. Got the diff in and the backlash was huge, like .065. So I moved all the shims from the right side of the diff to the left side and that brought it down to .038. So I need to add shims to the pinion to bring the pinion closer to the ring gear to close the backlash gap. I added a .025 shim and the backlash went down to .028. Ok we are getting there. I added a .020 shim and the backlash went down to .012. Feeling good about things, almost there. Took things apart and I see this.... Looks like the ring scraped the oil slinger. Anyone ever seen this before?

If you had to move "all" your shims from one side to the other, you're not doing this correctly.

For pinion depth, did you use the original depth as a starting point? Most likely, that shim was located under the pinion head. Measure it and use that amount of shims behind the race as a starting point. If you had a baffle behind the inner race, add that to the shim stack thickness (probably 10 thou).

Get your backlash in spec before running a pattern.

By the way, the guy in the video is most handsome.
 
This needs addressing.

Are you going from 3.07 or 3.55 to 3.73 or greater?

If so, you need a different carrier.

I think you just nailed it. Yes I'm going from the factory gear to a 4.88. Didn't realize I needed new carrier. Well I guess I'm buying a Truetrac earlier than I planned.
 
I think you just nailed it. Yes I'm going from the factory gear to a 4.88. Didn't realize I needed new carrier. Well I guess I'm buying a Truetrac earlier than I planned.

You could be lucky like me...I needed a new carrier for my 30 and found a guy selling a Dana 30 truetrac on 3.73's for $150. For some reason he thought he needed a different one to fit a bigger (numerical) ring gear, but I have the model # stamped on the unit & Eaton confirms it is for 3.73 & up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Seems the carrier break is the issue in this case.

Once you get past that, it helps to understand some of the basics for the diff you’re working on. Such as on the Dana 30, there is an oil slinger pressed on between the inner bearing and pinion head, and a baffle between the inner race and the housing. The baffle is usually 0.020” (that’s what all online sites list them as - it’s hard to measure the original since you destroy it upon removal…) and the slinger was a range, usually somewhere around 0.050-0.055, used to set pinion depth.

Aftermarket usually gives you a 0.030 slinger, so you need to reuse the old slinger or measure the old slinger and add enough additional shim behind the race to match that. Reusing the old slinger is probably not ideal because it was thick and set for the original gears depth, which is why the aftermarket thinner slinger so that you can dial in the depth with a stack of shims behind the race. So if using the new slinger and its 0.030, and the old was 0.055, you would put 0.025 behind the race at the 26:30 portion of the video you mentioned. The 0.030 would be under the pressed on pinion bearing. And of course you’d also use the new baffle from in the master kit. Not all master kits provide them, so you may need to buy some - Dennys sells them for like a dollar a piece.

A good starting point on the Dana 30 is a stack of about 0.070-0.075 total (sum of race shims, baffle, and slinger). I think I ended up at 0.074 on mine. If I remember right I started at 0.070, then 0.073, 0.076, then 0.074.

Not an expert or even close to it, just sharing some helpful info I’ve learned that can help waste less time.
 
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