Baffles in Overhead Sound Bar?

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I've been reading about how to replace my overhead sound bar 5.25s with some 6.5s. I have a 97 so it sounds like they will drop right in.

I've read about using polyfill in the sound bar, but what about baffles? I see that many forum members recommend baffles for the front dash speakers, so what about for the overhead sound bar speakers? Any pros or cons versus just polyfill?
 
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In order for them to be effective, they need to be large and rigid. The larger they are, the better. Most woofer cones on speakers are designed around an assumption of infinite baffle, so a smaller enclosure will reduce the output of the lower frequencies.

The biggest thing you need to do is to isolate the backside wave from the frontside wave. Essentially, keep any air volume on the backside of the speaker in its own spot.

The sound pods are actually already decent at this. With a few modifications, they can be made even better. Take some damping sound deadener, the kind with the butyl rubber and foil base (like Dynamat or similar) and stick it on any flat surfaces inside you can reach. This prevents the enclosure from flexing with any significance, and also reduces vibrations. Adding polyfill also significantly slows down the air, making it far more effective. The polyfill also helps absorb higher frequencies by itself, preventing reverberating sound effects from creating peaky response curves. Finally, any obvious air gaps should be sealed. At the seam, at the wire hole, around the light, and especially around the speaker. These don't need to be 100% airtight, but if you were to pressurize the pod, you would want only a very slow rate of air escape.

Essentially, the sound pods are your baffles. They do a great job at it. Car doors on the other hand...

The dash speakers also need some sort of enclosure to effectively work. Unfortunately there's nothing easy to play with except for the sound pod kits.
 
That fill is extremely inexpensive. The factory didn't use it because it is close to worthless in those enclosures. On some pods and enclosures they used small sections of material like dynomat but you really have to tune it for that to be effective. I wouldn't worry about it. If you really think it's a thing then go for poly fill, it's cheap.
 
In order for them to be effective, they need to be large and rigid. The larger they are, the better. Most woofer cones on speakers are designed around an assumption of infinite baffle, so a smaller enclosure will reduce the output of the lower frequencies.

The biggest thing you need to do is to isolate the backside wave from the frontside wave. Essentially, keep any air volume on the backside of the speaker in its own spot.

The sound pods are actually already decent at this. With a few modifications, they can be made even better. Take some damping sound deadener, the kind with the butyl rubber and foil base (like Dynamat or similar) and stick it on any flat surfaces inside you can reach. This prevents the enclosure from flexing with any significance, and also reduces vibrations. Adding polyfill also significantly slows down the air, making it far more effective. The polyfill also helps absorb higher frequencies by itself, preventing reverberating sound effects from creating peaky response curves. Finally, any obvious air gaps should be sealed. At the seam, at the wire hole, around the light, and especially around the speaker. These don't need to be 100% airtight, but if you were to pressurize the pod, you would want only a very slow rate of air escape.

Essentially, the sound pods are your baffles. They do a great job at it. Car doors on the other hand...

The dash speakers also need some sort of enclosure to effectively work. Unfortunately there's nothing easy to play with except for the sound pod kits.

Thanks very much. Mine is a 97, so I don't have pods, just the one long sound bar with metal frame. I assume that most or all of what you wrote still applies though, right?

And if so, then is the advantage to this approach (compared to baffles) that it creates a larger area, whereas the baffles would be a much smaller area?
 
That fill is extremely inexpensive. The factory didn't use it because it is close to worthless in those enclosures. On some pods and enclosures they used small sections of material like dynomat but you really have to tune it for that to be effective. I wouldn't worry about it. If you really think it's a thing then go for poly fill, it's cheap.

Thanks, but let's nevermind the fill. What about baffles? I see that many forum members recommend them for the front dash speakers, so what about for the overhead sound bar speakers?
 
Overhead bar is sealed and the speakers in the dash aren't. Nobody uses baffles and enclosures in the front.

Ah, gotcha. So yes, even though I don't have 'pods', my sound bar is acting like a baffle/enclosure itself. Thanks.